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Jan 27, 2020
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Do you believe in and agree with the Diners' Bill of Rights?

I use to fax the Diners' Bill of Rights to restaurants the week before my reservation but have found that many restaurants have taken away their fax number, perhaps due to people like myself faxing them.

 

jguss

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Jul 7, 2013
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I…have found that many restaurants have taken away their fax number, perhaps due to people like myself faxing them.

Or perhaps it’s because most businesses, including restaurants, got rid of their fax lines when FDR suggested it would help America defeat the Axis.

As obsolete technologies go fax lines now rank somewhere between the floppy disk and the heliograph. I think it has something to do with this new thing the kids are using called electronic mail.
 
Jan 27, 2020
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Or perhaps it’s because most businesses, including restaurants, got rid of their fax lines when FDR suggested it would help America defeat the Axis.

As obsolete technologies go fax lines now rank somewhere between the floppy disk and the heliograph. I think it has something to do with this new thing the kids are using called electronic mail.

I don't believe the technology to fax actually existed when FDR was president. I do not have the time this morning to fax check that but I will later this evening.
 

jguss

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I don't believe the technology to fax actually existed when FDR was president. I do not have the time this morning to fax check that but I will later this evening.

Eleanor actually held the basic patent on the telefacsimile process, along with dozens of other pioneering inventions ranging from the artificial heart (filed under Paul Winchell’s name) to personal vibrators. One of the more curious innovations involved an undetectable mechanism for triggering cerebral hemorrhages in wheelchair bound caucasian males aged 60-65.
 

pappymac

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Feb 26, 2015
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1843, That's when they were invented.
That was the year the first patent was issued to a Scotsman for inventing a machine that would reproduce graphics signs in the laboratory.

An Italian introduced the first commercial telefax service between Paris and Lyon in 1865, some 11 years before the invention of the telephone.

AT&T introduced technology that would transmit newspaper quality photographs in 1924 but the first machine that would sit on a desk was introduced by Western Union in the late 1940s - after World War II.

The first fax machine I used was in 1978 or 79. It had a drum scanner that you would affix the document or photo to and would spin around while a stylus would read the different color tones on the paper and convert it to data that would be sent across the phone lines. When receiving a fax, the machine which had a roll of chemically impregnated paper loaded, had another stylus which would "burn" the incoming black and white image onto the paper.
 

scloyd

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May 23, 2018
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This seems a little out dated. No mention of cell phones. Cell phones disrupt everyone's dining pleasure. It annoys me when people play with their phones while at the table and when they take pictures of their dinner when it arrives at the table.

A few months ago, I was eating in a sushi restaurant with my son. My sushi was served to me on a wooden boat with plastic aquarium plants as decorations. My phone was in my car so I asked my son to snap a photo, to show my wife, she wasn't with us. As soon as I took my first bite, the server came to the table and took away the aquarium plants. She probably thought I was going to take them home. Even though I don't like phones at the table, I had to have that photo to show my wife.
 
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AJL67

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May 26, 2022
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I’m going to try this at arbys today!

Seriously i won’t call this ridiculous and entitled but sounds like you want “fine dining” wherever you go. Good luck with that, you want this experience go to the capital grille as they have the best overall and most consistent dining experience across all of their locations. Morton’s, del frisco double eagle, etc., still don’t have that consistency in the dining experience.

Also I’m assuming you tip no less than 25% for your asked for experience and closer to 30%. As some that worked in all facets of food service from high to low I’m sure your fax got posted and talked about in many kitchens and not in a good way.
 

bassbug

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Dec 29, 2016
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Do you believe in and agree with the Diners' Bill of Rights?
Bill of rights????

You walk into someone's place of business and you agree to their terms or go somewhere else. The only thing you're entitled to is the choice of whether to do business with an establishment or not.

I run my business in any lawful way I choose and I accept the consequences.

That's the beauty of freedom.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
That was the year the first patent was issued to a Scotsman for inventing a machine that would reproduce graphics signs in the laboratory.

An Italian introduced the first commercial telefax service between Paris and Lyon in 1865, some 11 years before the invention of the telephone.

AT&T introduced technology that would transmit newspaper quality photographs in 1924 but the first machine that would sit on a desk was introduced by Western Union in the late 1940s - after World War II.

The first fax machine I used was in 1978 or 79. It had a drum scanner that you would affix the document or photo to and would spin around while a stylus would read the different color tones on the paper and convert it to data that would be sent across the phone lines. When receiving a fax, the machine which had a roll of chemically impregnated paper loaded, had another stylus which would "burn" the incoming black and white image onto the paper.
I remember them well
 

AJL67

Lifer
May 26, 2022
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Florida - Space Coast
If you go to a restaurant and aren’t happy with the noise level or the waitstaff bring the check without you asking do you refuse to pay or de,and to see the manager or take the noise level out if your server’s tip?
 
I’ve gotten up and walked out of places that have seated me next to a family with wildchilds running amuck. First time a toy lands on my table from the morons who do nothing to control their kids, we just stand up and excuse ourselves. My kids were never like that. The parents must be on heroine to just set there while their kids act insane.
It might sound snobbish of me, but… I am really not trained in how to deal with a snot nosed brat interacting with me over the back of a chair or bench.

Oh, and places that have horrible chair height or distance to table ratios… WTF. Some places you can’t even reach the table with my elbows.

Yeh, kids… should be a f’n leash law. puffy
 

maker

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Mar 22, 2018
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Just get rid of tipping altogether. Include it in the price of the meal and if the service sucks then people will just stop going there. The fact that servers have to budget based on the charity of patrons is an archaic system. The fact that some people tip and others don't is insane.
 
Just get rid of tipping altogether. Include it in the price of the meal and if the service sucks then people will just stop going there. The fact that servers have to budget based on the charity of patrons is an archaic system. The fact that some people tip and others don't is insane.
Agree 100% tipping is so last century. Just charge more, and put up signs that forbid tipping. It’s a stupid antiquated thing.
 
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