Deeming Extension Thanks To The Coronavirus

[Bowie]

I get the impression that even if an application for a newer tobacco is submitted, there is still a risk the FDA could order it pulled from the market. I could be wrong about this however.

 

[Chasing Embers]

2 out of 3 of my favorite tobacco's are safe.

Many of mine, including Black Frigate, were the creations of Craig Tarler back in the '90s. All safe.?

 

[Chasing Embers]

I get the impression that even if an application for a newer tobacco is submitted, there is still a risk the FDA could order it pulled from the market. I could be wrong about this however.

I feel like once it comes to pass, they'll find a reason to go after the "grandfathered" blends.

 

[cigrmaster]

Was that an insult or a compliment?

Interesting mesh of my user name as I am related to the Chambers family.

That was a total compliment. I think we should adopt your method site wide and fine people that don't use it.


Chasingembers is just too long, I used to call you Chasing, no idea where the Chambers came from but is much more regal sounding than Chasing. Plus anyone who has a Bruce Weaver collection like yours should have a regal sounding name.

 

[greeneyes]

Apparently this applies to all tobacco. Perhaps there will be a "purge" of some of the newer cigar brands as well.

 

[sablebrush52]

I haven't been keeping up with the news too much. I know about this deadline, but I'm not sure what the consequences will be.

Is there a list somewhere of tobaccos that will cease to be sold because the manufacturers aren't planning on submitting applications for them?

Are people "stocking up" on blends that will disappear? I may have misunderstood what's going on.

The cut off date for grandfathered blends was February 15th 2007. So any blends that entered the US market subsequent to that date, or which left the US market temporarily - like the Dunhill blends - are required to go through one of the deeming processes outlined in the 2016 FDA announcement. I'm aware that some specifics have changed since that announcement, but not the predicate date of Feb 15th 2007. That change would require congressional action and is not up to FDA discretion.

Therefore, the best way to find out if your blends are on the chopping block come August 8th 2021 or 2022 is to go to Tobaccoreviews.com and look for the date of the earliest review.

 

[Chasing Embers]

That was a total compliment. I think we should adopt your method site wide and fine people that don't use it.


Chasingembers is just too long, I used to call you Chasing, no idea where the Chambers came from but is much more regal sounding than Chasing. Plus anyone who has a Bruce Weaver collection like yours should have a regal sounding name.

I like it!?

 

[mawnansmiff]

"Interesting mesh of my user name as I am related to the Chambers family."

Surely not the 'Chambers' family of Nottinghamshire, England ??

Regards,

Jay.?

 

[sablebrush52]

My 2 cents:

Anyting that hit the market after February of 2007. How does one know which blends that means? The best way I have found is to go to tobaccoreviews.com, look up a blend you like, and the click the button that sorts them by review date. If reviews are there from before February of 2007, then you should be in the clear.

Well Dunhill/ Peterson blends should be okay since they've been around since before 2007 right? Not so fast. Their new iteration is only a couple of months old. I'm pretty certain they will get the ax.

The Dunhill blends left the US market for a period from 2008 to 2010, so they were not going to get grandfathered in.

 

[BarrelProof]

This bowl of HH ODF I’m about to light just took on a new importance.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Apparently this applies to all tobacco. Perhaps there will be a "purge" of some of the newer cigar brands as well.

Very likely.

 

[greeneyes]

In the "FDA Regulation of Tobacco Products" there are various 'pathways' to market for tobacco products. One is the PMTA we're discussing. The other is a "substantial equivalence" route:

"A manufacturer must submit a PMTA and receive a PMTA marketing authorization order to legally market a new tobacco product that is not substantially equivalent to a predicate tobacco product or exempt from substantial equivalence...

...A new tobacco product is considered to be substantially equivalent to a predicate tobacco product if it has the same characteristics as the predicate tobacco product or if it has different characteristics that do not raise different questions of public health."

It seems to me that under this definition several blends may be accepted on the basis of their similarity to "archetypal" blends that are grandfathered in, or were "PMTA'd in." What I mean to say is that on the basis of this definition it seems that if blends are similar enough, or have differences that do not reasonably affect health in a significant manner, there wouldn't be a need to prepare a PMTA for each and every blend individually.

(Source: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45867.pdf)

 

[mawnansmiff]

Regards Duane's main point, I find it astonishing that the US Government seeks to throttle a source of great amounts of revenue, let alone the rights of the individual to do what one chooses within their own households.

Regards,

Jay.?

 

[Chasing Embers]

"Interesting mesh of my user name as I am related to the Chambers family."

Surely not the 'Chambers' family of Nottinghamshire, England ??

Regards,

Jay.?

Could very well be. My Cartmill family is descended from the Cartmel village in Cumbria, England.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Regards Duane's main point, I find it astonishing that the US Government seeks to throttle a source of great amounts of revenue, let alone the rights of the individual to do what one chooses within their own households.

Regards,

Jay.?

Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face as it were.

 

[Chasing Embers]

This bowl of HH ODF I’m about to light just took on a new importance.

I put back 15 pounds after my first tin back in 2012. It is a big favorite.

 

[seanv]

We are living in the golden days right now in regards to availability and selection of pipe tobacco.

 

[BarrelProof]

I put back 15 pounds after my first tin back in 2012. It is a big favorite.

I’m considering a very similar move. However, this delay will give me more time to try out a lot more since I’m so new. Right now I’ve only tried 4 blends (with 75 more waiting on me when I get back to my house in Alaska).

The list is as such:



HH ODF > Nightcap > HH Burley Flake > Early Morning Pipe



Sounds like they’re all on the chopping block...

 

[Bowie]

Right now I’ve only tried 4 blends

How long before you get home? You need more than these four, although all four are great smokes. Can I send you something? Even an OTC would be good for you to try.

 

[BarrelProof]

How long before you get home? You need more than these four, although all four are great smokes. Can I send you something? Even an OTC would be good for you to try.

Thanks for the offer. I’d honestly prefer it if you donated them to the COVID Pay it Forward offer/thread.

I just discovered I can have tobacco delivered to the local post office and held for my arrival to pick it up. This fixed my issue of not being able to have anything shipped to work. So, when I got bitten by the bug a couple of weeks ago, I went off the deep end and had everything shipped to the house in Alaska. Right now, I’ve got 75ish blends and about 18 pounds up there waiting on me. I’ve got 8-10 more tins heading this way to me out here in Texas and will start trying them all out that way between now and when I can get home.

Unfortunately, I’m not positive when I’ll be going home. This COVID issue has made that trip exceedingly difficult to arrange.