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Aug 1, 2012
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If you believe the rant below is completely off base, feel free to flame away as my computer screen is rated by NASA to withstand flames of up to 3000 words.
First, a confession. I love estate pipes. I love looking at them. I love buying them. I even love cleaning them up most of the time. Most of all, I love the caliber of pipe I can get for $15-40 on that infamous auction site if I really do my research and hunt. In the last 7 months, I have acquired a large number of estates and sold some of them locally. I clean them up, smoke them and if they aren't to my tastes, I pretty them up, clean again and sell them. I hope to sell on BriarBid sometime soon and the ones being sold will be at least fairly clean.
Some of the estate pipes I have purchased have been billed as "Clean and Ready To Smoke". With one exception, a seller in Germany whose name eludes me, they have all been filthy. Now I am a bit anal retentive about my cleaning so I understand that not everyone's standards are the same as my own. I retort and/or clean with pipe cleaners, q-tips, and brushes until a pipe cleaner soaked in alcohol comes out of the stem, shank, and mortise the same color it went in. This can take a couple hours or more with an exceptionally dirty pipe but, to me, it is worth the trouble to have a pipe that is actually "clean". The estate pipes I have purchased from smokingpipes.com have arrived on my doorstep as clean as I can get them myself and for the money they had better be.
The problem comes when an ebay seller, or in one case a respected internet shop, represents a pipe as clean and it really isn't. One seller even banned me for calling him on it. When I say "not clean" I mean that a pipe cleaner or q-tip moistened with everclear comes out of the mortise, shank, and stem absolutely black. Invariably, subsequent pipe cleaners come out the same shade and it takes quite a few before the color starts to lighten. I know many people must be ok with that because the sellers keep selling at a fairly high volume.
Now before you say that I'm just whining, here is a picture of what I'm talking about. The q-tip is from the mortise and the cleaner is from the stem.
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This is from halfway through cleaning a pipe I just got yesterday. It came from not only a highly rated ebay seller but a respectable pipe repairman. I won't say any more because I am not doing this to damage his reputation, just bring to light the problem as I see it. The pipe was represented in bold as "clean and ready to smoke" (getting tired of that phrase yet? me too) but that is about as far from it as you can get IMO. This pipe wasn't even the worst of the "clean" pipes I have ordered. It just baffles me that somebody can be that dishonest and keep getting away with it. Is it because people who order are just happy to get the pipe? Do they not care? Do they even check? I do not have the answers so if you do, feel free to enlighten me.
Now for my warning. If you buy a "clean" pipe, check it first unless the pic above doesn't bother you.

 
Aug 1, 2012
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Thanks Mike. I'm learning my lessons slowly. I really don't mind cleaning them and would still probably pay the same for the pipe. I just don't like being told a half-truth or lied to. Comes with the territory I guess eh?

 

drwatson

Lifer
Aug 3, 2010
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7
toledo
I to have had some nasty ones come from auctions that say clean and ready. I can say when I sell one that is "clean and ready" it is. Guess thats the difference between pipe smokers and pipe sellers.

 

intrepid721

Might Stick Around
Feb 6, 2013
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Thornton, Colorado
I can sympathize with you, it's never any fun to not get exactly what you think you are paying for, but on the bright side, at least it's relatively easy to remedy and not burned out or patched without that being disclosed. I think Mike is spot on when it comes to taking the listing descriptions with a load of salt. Ebay's tag line should truly be "Buyer Beware". Cheers to your new pipe none the less, I hope it ends up being a solid smoker for you after some TLC.

 

bigboi

Lifer
Nov 12, 2012
1,192
3
I completely understand where you are coming from, but I expect that I am going to heavily clean...a clean and ready to smoke pipe from ebay

 

gray4lines

Part of the Furniture Now
Nov 6, 2012
679
2
KY
I don't remember the thread, but someone else bought a "clean, ready to smoke" pipe only to find it filthy. As it turns out, the seller (a pipe repairman) just accidentally skipped over cleaning the pipe.
I can see a pipe labeled as clean arriving dirty if the seller knows next to nothing about pipes. For all they know, "clean" means no crumbs or crud falls out when you tap the bowl upside down.
But for a pipe to come that dirty from some who supposedly knows how to clean a pipe...that's unacceptable.
I suppose in the future you may ask, "what is your cleaning procedure, how long do you spend on each pipe?" Etc...

 

tbradsim1

Lifer
Jan 14, 2012
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11,878
Southwest Louisiana
I bought a pipe on e-bay, seller said it was his personal pipe and was a good smoker and was clean and ready to go, this pipe was filthy, good pipe but filthy, in the feedback I gave him a positive rateing , but in the comments said his pipe was filthy and closed with Don"t kiss this man. Got an e-mail from him saying he didn"t appreciate the comment. Later on this same seller had a beautiful Charatan that I won, he then shipped this pipe with about 8 small plastic things , pipe was not wrapped and was rattling in box, it luckily was not harmed, the kiss comment had rattled him, payback. LOL. The old cajun

 

mustanggt

Part of the Furniture Now
Dec 6, 2012
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4
I have gone on a PAD hunt for awhile now and have only had one that I wouldn't call clean and ready to smoke. I ran a few pipe cleaners and swabed the bowl and in a few minutes was ready to smoke. Maybe I've been lucky in that I chose pipes and merchants who are good at what they do and sell quality pipes. However I do share your frustration at dealing with people like that. I think if they are a quality merchant they should make a partial refund for your trouble. After all you bid a price that was for a clean and ready to smoke pipe. I will pay for qaulity and good customer service.

 
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Maybe I've been lucky in that I chose pipes and merchants who are good at what they do and sell quality pipes.
Or maybe I've been just catastrophically unlucky. I've purchased pipes from all types of vendors but the ones labelled "Clean..." have all been from knowledgeable, reputable, high-volume sellers.
More important than me being pissed off is that new pipers looking to buy estates clean everything, whether it's from a B&M, online merchant, or ebay

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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I totally agree that some ebay sellers are lying sacks of shit. Shinypipes is one of them. I am banned from his auctions because I pointed out to him that his pipes were filthy and I asked for him to leave feedback after a month of him not doing so. I have been lucky with the last 8 or 9 I have purchased and they have been cleaned nicely. I am very picky as to what I think makes a clean pipe so if I run a cleaner through and it comes out not white, it is dirty to me. If someone lists their pipes as clean then they better be clean it is that simple.

 

docrx

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 9, 2011
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SHINYPIPES avoid at all costs. Overpriced and rigs some of his auctions. Harris your lucky he banned you.

 

pitchfork

Lifer
May 25, 2012
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Shinypipes says you guys are "bullies and mama's boys" :rofl:
Here's another reason to avoid that seller. He photoshops fills in some of his pics:
http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/ebay-lessons-learn-and-how-not-to-get-burned#post-354195

 

timely

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 23, 2012
765
2
I have encountered this many times over the years. The pipes are shined to a high gloss on the outside but run a pipe cleaner through it and it comes out totally black. I cannot understand the pure laziness of people, they will proudly tell you how they sit at the buffer to get it all nice and shiney, meanwhile they do not even bother to clean the inside at all. Now I am not talking about totally sanitized and clean, but holy can't they even run some pipe cleaners with alcohol through the stem, pay some attention to the mortise ( which I call the nasty hidden spot )Take Qtips and pipe cleaners to the mortise till it is clean, wipe off some dust, put a reamer in the bowl giving it a couple of good turns, then wipe it out with a wet shop towel. All of this which I consider basic cleaning that would only take me 15 minutes tops, and they cannot bother at all, but holy cow the outside is shiney as hell. So I understand totally what you are saying and I have the same complaint. I would rather have it clean on the inside and not super shiney on the outside. I have cleaned my share of estate pipes and it does not take much to get a pipe clean and sanitized. I never trust a pipe to be clean ( unless it is new ) when I get it. I feel grossed out by the thought of people just lighting up one of these pipes and smoking all of that black tar and germs. YUK!!!!!!

 

sparroa

Lifer
Dec 8, 2010
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That was one of the first things I learned about estate pipes - "clean" and "ready to smoke" are relative terms.
One of my first pipes had a horrendous latakia ghost and was full of filth despite the fact that it came from a popular eBay restorer who came highly recommmeded to me.
I see the wisdom of buying a fully restored estate pipe from an etailer if you don't want to take any chances or put in the elbow grease yourself...

 

numbersix

Lifer
Jul 27, 2012
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SHINYPIPES avoid at all costs. Overpriced and rigs some of his auctions. Harris your lucky he banned you.
+1000
FWIW: you might try emailing the seller. Might have been an honest mistake. If he's a respected restorer, there's a chance this one slipped through the cracks. Many restorers don't clean a pipe until it's sold and he may have thought he had already taken care of it.
I would do this anyway before giving him/her a bad review.

 

numbersix

Lifer
Jul 27, 2012
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I like having the option to call the seller if I have questions -- not have to Email the eBay seller to wait and hope he/she gets back to me and oops, the auction, too often, ends before I get an answer.
Funny you should say this, but this is something shinypipes has done to me too.

 
Aug 1, 2012
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I would like to add another seller who has been called out here (and rightfully so from my experience) peaceangel12000. Not honest, bad descriptions and pictures.

 

hfearly

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 11, 2012
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Canada
Easy: a wrong description is an offence against the Rules of Conduct the seller signed, when creating the auction.
1) Return the item for full refund.

2) Give a negative rating, be polite but to the point in the reasoning.

3) Avoid the seller in future.

4) Let us all here know who the black sheep is so he/she won't get business from this community
Maybe we should have a 'sticky' post, I'm pretty sure that will very fast kill business for sketchy sellers and make the whole estate market a much better place.

 

pitchfork

Lifer
May 25, 2012
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I take no pleasure in pointing out that Shinypipes is less than honest, but I agree with others -- when it's a clear-cut case, other pipers should be made aware. For instance, the Nachwalter pipe with the photoshopped fill I posted earlier -- had I not already known to avoid Shinypipes, I might have purchased it thinking there were just a few small fills on the heel, not the big honking fill on the side, which had been blurred out. I would have been disappointed. I also would have overpaid. Further, I would have been hoppin' mad.
Easily avoided, though. Information and transparency are good things.

 
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