Chemical Tongue Bite?

[Filippo]

Hi, I am a new smoker and I would like to better understand if I got a tongue bite, maybe a chemical one.
Before trying the pipe I only smoked something like a pack of cigarettes in my life, so I cannot say I truly have previous smoking experiences.
As soon as I lit the pipe I felt the first puff extremely dry but I kept smoking. Now, after a few days, I feel like my mouth is dry and my tongue feels like when you eat or drink very hot foods or drinks and it start to sting after.
3 days of no smoke and I still feel almost the same and I am sure I felt this dry sensation since the first puff, so I don't think it's because I smoked too much or how I packed the pipe (smoked for about 40-50 minutes always drinking tap water from now and then).
I smoked Skandinavik Sungold, do you think I should try to smoke a different tobacco to see if it's a chemical tongue bite?

 

[proteus]

I am thinking yes tongue bite but the usual kind. I would try first one of the fine offerings from CD or Boswell. Boswell would be pipers pleasure. CD would be granby station. They are vanilla types which is what sungold tries to be.

Puffing should be effortless and very gentle. Lots of articles here and videos on the net for instructions

 

[Filippo]

I am thinking yes tongue bite but the usual kind. I would try first one of the fine offerings from CD or Boswell. Boswell would be pipers pleasure. CD would be granby station. They are vanilla types which is what sungold tries to be.

Puffing should be effortless and very gentle. Lots of articles here and videos on the net for instructions

You are right and I tried to do my best, but maybe I was too worried of not inhaling the smoke and I am sure I puffed too hard even tho I didn't have warm smoke of not just once and wasn't that hot at all

 

[Old_Newby]

That tobacco appears to be aromatic and could be majority virginia. Both can bite.
I too started with aromatics which was a mistake. They are harder to smoke and can bite you due to toppings and moisture which basically turns into hot steam.

I suggest trying a simple codger blend like Carter Hall, or an English blend to learn the pipe, cadence, packing, lighting.

Also i think this video is very good for beginners.

 

[anotherbob]

it isn't uncommon to get tongue bite during the process of lighting. In fact I think almost every single time minus three or four (talking about since 1994) I got tongue bite it's been while lighting the pipe. My suggestion is to try first wooden matches (cheapest option and best in my opinion). The thing is any fire source could be used but certain ones are hotter and more likely to bite.

 

[Wheels]

There is an irritant in tobacco smoke called Acrolein. It can be produced by burning carbohydrates, especially sugars. It was actually used in chemical warfare during WWI because of its irritating and blistering qualities. Higher temperatures make more of it and so do tobaccos with high sugar content.

 

[Grangerous]

Watched the video. Why would anyone want to smoke hot air simply to please others?

Light a candle.

 

[anotherbob]

Watched the video. Why would anyone want to smoke hot air simply to please others?

Light a candle.

I felt like it wasn't quite on as well. I find aromatics to taste pretty close to how they smell. And sorta over simplified the experience of smoking.

 

[PipeIT]

@Filippo if you haven’t already, be sure to look at the last post I made at this link. I found a wealth of great information regarding bite, which should help you better understand.

Any Advice? Killer Tongue Bite :: Pipe Smoking Basics & Beginner Questions

Roll up your driver's window but leave a just crack for ventilation. If you're filling up the cabin with smoke you're puffing too fast anyway but the draft from highway driving can be like a supercharger for a pipe

pipesmagazine.com

 

[Old_Newby]

Watched the video. Why would anyone want to smoke hot air simply to please others?

Light a candle.

Yea my initial pipe journey had me going after all those yummy flavors only to find out it is not for me but others. I have yet to try any flavored or topped aromatic that tastes good…. a swisher sweet cigar beats them all. of course YMMV and TEHO, etc.. I finally figured out its the flavors of actual tobacco types and blends that are the jewel even if ever so nuanced.

 

[Old_Newby]

I felt like it wasn't quite on as well. I find aromatics to taste pretty close to how they smell. And sorta over simplified the experience of smoking.

If you are getting the same taste as they smell then you are lucky because most smell delicious on tin note. Are you talking tin note or room note smell? To me aromatics leave me with a chemical taste sorta like a diet cola or cough syrup. just off putting but some people like it.

 

[anotherbob]

the ones with a ton PG give me a horrible chemical taste that just ruins it. The ones with a bit less do taste a lot like the room note to me.

If you are getting the same taste as they smell then you are lucky because most smell delicious on tin note. Are you talking tin note or room note smell? To me aromatics leave me with a chemical taste sorta like a diet cola or cough syrup. just off putting but some people like it.

 

[Grangerous]

The first entirely tobacco blend that widened my eyes was HH Acadian Perique. The entire flavor experience was from leaf. Delicious.

Nowadays I’m so turned off by artificial anything applied. The thought of smoking potpourri. Ughhhhhh

Pegasus, Crooner and Winchester are all I need and Granger is as “flavored” as I can stand.

 

[andrew]

I find any tobacco like captain black that's saturated with pg definitely gives me a chemical burn no matter how careful I am smoking it. So I don't bother with it

 

[Doctor Chopper]

Hi, I am a new smoker and I would like to better understand if I got a tongue bite, maybe a chemical one.
Before trying the pipe I only smoked something like a pack of cigarettes in my life, so I cannot say I truly have previous smoking experiences.
As soon as I lit the pipe I felt the first puff extremely dry but I kept smoking. Now, after a few days, I feel like my mouth is dry and my tongue feels like when you eat or drink very hot foods or drinks and it start to sting after.
3 days of no smoke and I still feel almost the same and I am sure I felt this dry sensation since the first puff, so I don't think it's because I smoked too much or how I packed the pipe (smoked for about 40-50 minutes always drinking tap water from now and then).
I smoked Skandinavik Sungold, do you think I should try to smoke a different tobacco to see if it's a chemical tongue bite?

Your tongue bite is from heat. A small jet of hot air hits your tongue from the bit and heat burns the tongue, like a hot pizza on the roof of your mouth. The clue is dry tobacco, which was probably burning hot. I don’t know what Scandinavia Sungold is, but I bet it contains a fair amount of Virginia which can burn hotter.

 

[Doctor Chopper]

I find any tobacco like captain black that's saturated with pg definitely gives me a chemical burn no matter how careful I am smoking it. So I don't bother with it

This is true, PG will dissipate if the tobacco is dried making for a better smoke. Unfortunately drying the aromatic tobaccos also dissipates the flavor additives. This is why most pipe smokers give up on aromatic tobaccos.

 

[Wheels]

Your tongue bite is from heat. A small jet of hot air hits your tongue from the bit and heat burns the tongue, like a hot pizza on the roof of your mouth. The clue is dry tobacco, which was probably burning hot. I don’t know what Scandinavia Sungold is, but I bet it contains a fair amount of Virginia which can burn hotter.

If tongue bite is caused by heat, why don't you sense it immediately like when you sip a cup of really hot coffee? If the smoke were really hot enough to burn your tongue, you wouldn't take a second puff. Or, to use your analogy, if pizza burns the roof of your mouth, you don't take a second bite until it cools off a little.

 

[Doctor Chopper]

If tongue bite is caused by heat, why don't you sense it immediately like when you sip a cup of really hot coffee? If the smoke were really hot enough to burn your tongue, you wouldn't take a second puff. Or, to use your analogy, if pizza burns the roof of your mouth, you don't take a second bite until it cools off a little.

The tongue is a super specialized muscle. Its sensory intake is different. The Peterson P-lip was made to avoid this problem, whether it be heat or chemical - likely a mixture of both. Heat is a major factor in tongue bite. The burn takes time to heal as the OP describes with his experience.

 

[Doctor Chopper]

A good article on tongue bite: https://www.smokingpipes.com/smokin...gue-bite-comprehensive-guide-for-pipe-smokers

 

[Wheels]

A good article on tongue bite: https://www.smokingpipes.com/smokin...gue-bite-comprehensive-guide-for-pipe-smokers

Thanks for the link. But, why do people ignore the fact that tobacco smoke contains Acrolein, Hydrogen Cyanide, and Ammonia, none of which are tongue friendly. If the concentration is low enough, saliva will dilute them to where they don't cause any discomfort. But, blast furnace heat creates enough to cause chemical burn.

Acrolein is especially nasty. According to Wikipedia it is 40 times worse than Hydrogen Cyanide and is a strong irritant for skin, eyes, and nasal passages. Burning sugar is one source. Latakia and air cured burley contain little sugar while flue cured Virginias contain more. And of course aromatics have it added. This is why simple codger blends are more beginner friendly.