Charatan`s Extra ?????

[capitano]

Hello Friends

just bought a Charatans Pipe "Extra".
A lovely Bent which is stamped only on left side:

CHARATAN`S MAKE
LONDON.ENGLAND
EXTRA 11

On stem the "C" runs in the "P" and is thin/ stem is the old one (no double comfort or saddle...)

Any known infos about this pipe welcome, because I only found one other Charatan stamped same way,
but the other owner has no helpful info about it.

I only know "Extra" as special mark for extra size on right side, but never saw this as a quality-level on left side.

Thanks to all and stay healthy
Torsten

 

[kcghost]

Did you go to pipephil.eu to see what he has to say??

 

[jpmcwjr]

Well exposed photos would be very helpful.

 

[CoffeeAndBourbon]

A picture is worth a thousand wor.... Answers!

 

[capitano]

thanks
will picture it soon
just think about a perhaps fake-charatan (in accordance with article pipedia about late seventies dunhill-fakes and even charatans)

 

[capitano]

Did you go to pipephil.eu to see what he has to say??

yes indeed ! .....pipephil.eu, pipedia.org, google ....

 

[sablebrush52]

Not likely a fake. Not enough money in it. Many of the Dunhill "fakes" were made by Dunhill workers using Dunhill materials, just off the clock and out the back door.

 

[JimInks]

This Charatan has Extra Large stamped on the bottom of the shank.

 

[orlandofurioso]

Unfortunately Ken Barnes is no longer amongst us and my reply comes rather impulsive.
So I have not yet dug in my Charatan trunk and there is no prove . Not yet.
I recall "Extra" being an additional ( quality ) stamp to any particular grade.
Think " Extra Special " , or "Deluxe Extra" . If you catch my drift.
Could be wrong , I'm buried in work now and there is little time to dig in the trunk.
Could also be an much older grading, later "Special " .

 

[orlandofurioso]

This is still an interesting read :

Charatan Pipes: The Mysterious and Marvelous Marriage of a Pipe-Making Family and a Renowned Tobaccoman - 星辰大海烟斗网

sopipes.com

 

[orlandofurioso]

Eureka ; this Russian article mentions the EXTRA grade :

Charatan Pipes: The Mysterious and Marvelous Marriage of a Pipe-Making Family and a Renowned Tobaccoman - 星辰大海烟斗网

sopipes.com

We are in dire need of a translator.

 

[orlandofurioso]

Google translation : Expressive straight grain, excellent flame grain or not at all
excellent cross cut. In this grade, in addition to an excellent pattern, there are deviations from the classic
forms following the "flame": billiards or dublin with an inclined bowl. Extra pipes cost noticeably
more expensive than De Luxe (up to 8 pounds in the 20s
years, up to 12 - in the 30s). Sometimes, out of old memory or by special order, they were supplied with hard cases.

 

[cigrmaster]

Any sign of an L sitting on the pipe anywhere? That would put it in the Lane era which for most people is a big deal.

 

[orlandofurioso]

Not per se; the florid L was only stamped on pipes exported to the US.

 

[orlandofurioso]

Eureka ; this Russian article mentions the EXTRA grade :

Charatan Pipes: The Mysterious and Marvelous Marriage of a Pipe-Making Family and a Renowned Tobaccoman - 星辰大海烟斗网

sopipes.com

We are in dire need of a translator.

Sorry, my bad :

http://brbpipe.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/T-shop_1-2011-12_56-69_3.pdf

Apology to the moderators

 

[Saul Davidman]

Did you go to pipephil.eu to see what he has to say??

I'm not him, but thanks for this link, it was very helpful in identifying an old pipe my father bought in Scotland in the 1960s. Have a lovely week!

 

[capitano]

Thanks to all
an now 2 pics

 

[capitano]

Sorry, my bad :

http://brbpipe.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/T-shop_1-2011-12_56-69_3.pdf

Apology to the moderators

Thanks a lot but I checked this article too several times.
Couldn`t found a grade "extra", only add. marks for extra large....
Now offers 2 picture

 

[capitano]

Google translation : Expressive straight grain, excellent flame grain or not at all
excellent cross cut. In this grade, in addition to an excellent pattern, there are deviations from the classic
forms following the "flame": billiards or dublin with an inclined bowl. Extra pipes cost noticeably
more expensive than De Luxe (up to 8 pounds in the 20s
years, up to 12 - in the 30s). Sometimes, out of old memory or by special order, they were supplied with hard cases.

Thank !
Please send link to this interesting news,

 

[orlandofurioso]

Wonderful pipe capitano, thank you for adding the pictures ! More of them would be even
more appreciated. Mind you, we are fanatics
In my "collection" are to Charatan Super pipes, very rare.
I already posted the link . Twice