Cellaring: How Much is Too Much?

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unadoptedlamp

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 19, 2014
742
1,370
I think there is a definite point where you are better off putting the money spent on tobacco in an investment strategy instead. Depending on your age, a decent investment is also likely to outperform what you may have to spend on tobacco in the future.

Different for every person, but if I have a year or two supply of whatever I like, that seems like enough to me. I don't worry about good tobacco disappearing, but my outlook is global, rather than whatever is happening in the U.S., so maybe that is slightly different from the dominate region of members here who may have reason to fear.

I just think there will always be a number of countries where I can get good tobacco and it is unlikely to change in my lifetime.

It's all a crapshoot.

But, to anyone suggesting that money spent on tobacco is a wise financial investment that you can sell off later at a profit, or that your kids will some day sell off and buy a house with, I disagree.

It would only take 1-2 select forum members -and that is just here- to absolutely saturate the market of many blends that are *sometimes* in demand or scarce. 1-2 bags of a certain blend may go up for some relatively large sums of money, but when it's 20-30 bags, it's a different story. Heavy discounts ensue.

And who is going to drip feed a "cellar" of hundreds of tins? Not many people have the time or patience for such a tactic, particularly when you consider the sums returned are not going to be all that impressive anyway.

It's just my opinion, but I do not think that pipes and pipe tobacco is worth nearly as much as some people think when they gaze upon their collections. It's not a liquid asset either. It's' mostly just a pain in the ass.

So, personally, I would not include that kind of thinking when thinking about my 'cellar' and how much to have. I think it is just a comforting thought to have for those who have gone way overboard, recognize that the pile is not aligned with reality, and then justify it by thinking that it has an inflated value. It just feels better to think of it in those terms.

I could be wrong (and often am about a lot of things), but that's how I think of it for now, based on seeing collections of pipes and pipe tobacco being offered for sale here and elsewhere.

So, I would only buy what you are absolutely convinced you will smoke in the next 5-10 years. After that, the returns are likely to diminish with wastage and money would be better invested elsewhere.
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
45,309
119,614
@Chasing Embers I’m curious to hear your storage strategy for stuff you might not get around to for 4 decades? I’m in the same boat but without a viable option for replenishing stock as I smoke it.

As I write this I feel your reply will be along the lines of “strategy?! 😂 I just put it all in the spare room”
Dressers, closets, tables, shelves, etc.

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Servant King

Lifer
Nov 27, 2020
4,838
28,212
39
Frazier Park, CA
www.thechembow.com
I think there is a definite point where you are better off putting the money spent on tobacco in an investment strategy instead. Depending on your age, a decent investment is also likely to outperform what you may have to spend on tobacco in the future.

Different for every person, but if I have a year or two supply of whatever I like, that seems like enough to me. I don't worry about good tobacco disappearing, but my outlook is global, rather than whatever is happening in the U.S., so maybe that is slightly different from the dominate region of members here who may have reason to fear.

I just think there will always be a number of countries where I can get good tobacco and it is unlikely to change in my lifetime.

It's all a crapshoot.

But, to anyone suggesting that money spent on tobacco is a wise financial investment that you can sell off later at a profit, or that your kids will some day sell off and buy a house with, I disagree.

It would only take 1-2 select forum members -and that is just here- to absolutely saturate the market of many blends that are *sometimes* in demand or scarce. 1-2 bags of a certain blend may go up for some relatively large sums of money, but when it's 20-30 bags, it's a different story. Heavy discounts ensue.

And who is going to drip feed a "cellar" of hundreds of tins? Not many people have the time or patience for such a tactic, particularly when you consider the sums returned are not going to be all that impressive anyway.

It's just my opinion, but I do not think that pipes and pipe tobacco is worth nearly as much as some people think when they gaze upon their collections. It's not a liquid asset either. It's' mostly just a pain in the ass.

So, personally, I would not include that kind of thinking when thinking about my 'cellar' and how much to have. I think it is just a comforting thought to have for those who have gone way overboard, recognize that the pile is not aligned with reality, and then justify it by thinking that it has an inflated value. It just feels better to think of it in those terms.

I could be wrong (and often am about a lot of things), but that's how I think of it for now, based on seeing collections of pipes and pipe tobacco being offered for sale here and elsewhere.

So, I would only buy what you are absolutely convinced you will smoke in the next 5-10 years. After that, the returns are likely to diminish with wastage and money would be better invested elsewhere.
Thank you, my friend, for providing precisely what I came to this thread for:

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unadoptedlamp

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 19, 2014
742
1,370
Thank you, my friend, for providing precisely what I came to this thread for:
It's strange to me how often people invoke their family -especially kids- in these types of threads, because the cost of hoarding invariably comes up. For some people, it's a fair amount of change that could probably be invested in some more.... interesting things that could actually be put to use.

But, maybe I'm wrong and tobacco is going to be a stellar investment! I just don't see that play out in the forums or elsewhere when people try and sell stuff, assuming it's not just a one off of a "rare" blend. You will often see the "bump" comment to push up a thread. Followed by price reductions. Then eventually maybe a sale. In small lots. Or large lots at a large discount.

Buy a second house, a patch of land or some stocks in something that pays a reliable dividend and re-invest that. Maybe a college fund. They'll likely appreciate it much more... It'll sure as hell be easier to unload when the time comes.

I know that few people actually see this as an investment (I hope), but the sentiment comes up fairly regular and I cringe whenever I see that.
 

HawkeyeLinus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2020
5,862
42,284
Iowa
My cellar is modest, at this point jars or tins of tobacco I know I like and as I find more I like I’ll put some more away. I don’t really do any calculations - at the rate I enjoy my pipes I’ll have plenty put up by the end of this year to last for a long, long time. If there is any left over when I’m not around I’m sure it will get tossed and that’s okay by me. If not being able to enjoy my pipes becomes a known in advance kind of thing then I’ll get about the business of gifting away pipes and tobacco to folks that will make good use of both.
 
Jan 30, 2020
2,329
7,690
New Jersey
I figure I'll buy until I don't feel like buying anymore. It doesn't really impact me in any way. As much as I'd love to smoke the last bowl before death to complete a perfect plan, if I go with a stock pile it doesn't really make a difference. I can't take tobacco with me just like I can't take any investment with me so I don't worry about either.

I like to trade or give away, never have an interest in trying to sell.
 

FurCoat

Lifer
Sep 21, 2020
10,256
96,618
North Carolina
I figure I'll buy until I don't feel like buying anymore. It doesn't really impact me in any way. As much as I'd love to smoke the last bowl before death to complete a perfect plan, if I go with a stock pile it doesn't really make a difference. I can't take tobacco with me just like I can't take any investment with me so I don't worry about either.

I like to trade or give away, never have an interest in trying to sell.
I with you
 
Jan 28, 2018
14,056
158,446
67
Sarasota, FL
I originally thought 400 would be more than enough,ended up with well over 500 lbs. That was fine until we moved to Florida into a smaller house and no room to store that amount. So I sold a lot, still have more I need to sell. How much is too much depends on your personal finances, storage space, smoking needs looking to the future and your obsession.