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I agree that we should have had cleaner and more efficient forms of energy by now, and I believe we would have if not for intentional manipulation and suppression. But I don't buy the table top CO2 experiment you're describing, simply because it doesn't come anywhere near duplicating the conditions and variables involved with the Earth's atmosphere and ecosystem. You would have to account for the effect of trees for example, just to name one thing. CO2 is essential to plant life and a key part of the Earth's lifecycle.
I agree with you. Of course CO2 is critical. Besides providing plants the necessary carbon for sugar, we get O2 in return. But it is also critical for regulating the transfer of heat to our atmosphere. However, very small additional amounts can have huge changes in atmospheric temperature. But you won't see me argue this with anyone. Not because I don't believe it, but I don't care if the planet runs off the rails. I simply won't argue a point that seems easy enough to understand. I also won't warn someone twice who is about to step in front of a bus. I am content to let people believe they are right about any issue they feel they are right about.

I do believe where most people get frustrated with global warming is that the Left has politicized the message and hijacked the green movement and morphed it into an "agenda".

This is why I focus on clean air and water and food. I realize that much of our modern solutions touted by the Left rely on the backs of "slaves" in Asia and Africa who work in dirty mines under threat of death and harm in order to mine rare earth minerals necessary for "solutions". America has cleaner and better mining solutions and if we are really serious we would look to our own country own these solutions and minerals rather than the silliness of the left.
 

bullet08

Lifer
Nov 26, 2018
10,197
41,424
RTP, NC. USA
Dinosaurs went to the deep end without use of fossil fuel and tobacco. It's just a matter of time when our number will be up. Screw weather. They can't even predict tomorrow's weather. Some people actually think all these "get my money from whoever gives grant" know what they are doing?
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
16,660
31,223
46
In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
As my late father used to say, “There’s places where people were never meant to live”.
Found out one of the biggest killers in winter is clearing the drive way. The cold constrict the blood vessels and then that combined with strain is why not only can people have heart attacks but the kind that gets them quickly. Basically what I am saying is that place is probably anywhere and everywhere. :)
 

ssjones

Moderator
Staff member
May 11, 2011
18,996
13,029
Covington, Louisiana
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The rivers of blood thing is pretty advanced stuff. Usually the order is rivers of saliva first, then rivers of urine, then rivers of urine mixed with blood, and finally rivers of blood. At least that’s always been the case in my neighborhood.
You ain't seen rain until you've stayed in Louisiana! Noah got pissed and moved to Alabama years ago, he couldn't take all the rain.

The day my granddaughter was born, they had 15" of rain, no big deal to them. My daughters apartment complex, yeah, flooded. I walked thru 8" deep "puddles" to get to our rental car (thankfully, not flooded). Luckily I brought extra shoes and socks. Nope, wet feet, all day.

I always wondered why guys with trucks there always have a pair of rubber boots stuck between the cab & bed. When I asked my son-in-law (he has a truck, with boots on the bed). He said, "Mr Al, it rains here a lot". Yeah.
I'm not sure how one boot is helpful. He probably traded the other for that Harley sticker, you need a truck window sticker for sure.

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AJL67

Lifer
May 26, 2022
5,495
28,134
Florida - Space Coast
After doing a 12 yr sentence in San Diego the thing i learned is California being a desert region has crap for drainage on most roads and highways because of a lack of annual rainfall, poor a cup of water on the highway and it’s flooded and there will be 5 accidents. Talked to a couple friends in LA and Irvine that said it rained and was windy for a couple hours. Hardl the end of the world, one of them said he saw more wind and rain visiting me in Florida a couple years back.
 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
12,674
20,285
SE PA USA
Found out one of the biggest killers in winter is clearing the drive way. The cold constrict the blood vessels and then that combined with strain is why not only can people have heart attacks but the kind that gets them quickly. Basically what I am saying is that place is probably anywhere and everywhere. :)
Sounds like getting a turkey out of the freezer could be just as dangerous!
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,025
16,070
A timely on-point piece I happened to run into today that some here will appreciate (and for the "fact check" brigade, the issue is preemptively addressed in the article, so please don't bother).

 

georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
6,016
16,319
We've been down this road before.

Check out the Great Cultural Revolution that happened in China from the mid-1960's to the mid-70's.

"Just follow our Vision, citizens!" said the elites to the little people, and Heaven on Earth awaits. "Cleanse our society of Wrong Thinkers!"

Which translated into millions of people being slaughtered outright, and millions more dying from the famines & etc. induced by the disruption afterward.

Now here here we go again.

Why the hell does it keep happening?

The whole not-learning-from-history thing is an artifact of abstractions (such as the future) NOT affecting natural selection.


Put another way, for their entire existence---millions of years---humans had exactly one concern: surviving another day. Only very recently (in evolutionary terms) has that situation changed. Our firmware still responds to immediate situations more-or-less exclusively.

Put still another way, Mother Nature has bigger fish to fry than what might or might not come to pass at some indeterminate time down the road, so has never modified us to give a shit about it. (Except in the abstract, and then only for specimens with sufficient mental horsepower to do so. Which is an almost certainly an unintended phenomenon in itself.)

The net result? We do the same exact dumb stuff in an endless loop.

The cat-eyed Greenies (or are they Grays?) who are watching all this from their secret UFO base on the Moon are highly amused, btw.
 

gubbyduffer

Can't Leave
May 25, 2021
495
1,610
Peebles, Scottish Borders
A timely on-point piece I happened to run into today that some here will appreciate (and for the "fact check" brigade, the issue is preemptively addressed in the article, so please don't bother).

This is fear mongering nonsense. You can't seriously think US cities will have banned meat, dairy and private vehicles in 7 years time surely? On the back of you posting a false magazine cover to try to prove a point about global cooling in the 70's you don't appear to be having a good run do you? 'FAKE NEWS' anyone? I am sure there is a definition of irony here.
On global cooling I only scraped into 70's as a baby, but I am pretty sure few people here were reading peer reviewed scientific papers on the young science of climatology. Reading up on it, it appears that the media was largely out of kilter with sciencentific research, which did not wholesale go down the road of global cooling at the time. We understand far more about the climate now due to greater technological advances and cooperation across this field. Scientific consensus is almost universal in saying that global temperatures are rising, and that humans are in large part responsible for this increase. I am prepared to put my trust in those that know the field better than myself and armchair 'experts'. This increase in scientific scepticism is worrying. We are perhaps closer than I though to a reality of text books showing a flat Earth and denial of the moon landings
 

AJL67

Lifer
May 26, 2022
5,495
28,134
Florida - Space Coast
This is fear mongering nonsense. You can't seriously think US cities will have banned meat, dairy and private vehicles in 7 years time surely? On the back of you posting a false magazine cover to try to prove a point about global cooling in the 70's you don't appear to be having a good run do you? 'FAKE NEWS' anyone? I am sure there is a definition of irony here.
On global cooling I only scraped into 70's as a baby, but I am pretty sure few people here were reading peer reviewed scientific papers on the young science of climatology. Reading up on it, it appears that the media was largely out of kilter with sciencentific research, which did not wholesale go down the road of global cooling at the time. We understand far more about the climate now due to greater technological advances and cooperation across this field. Scientific consensus is almost universal in saying that global temperatures are rising, and that humans are in large part responsible for this increase. I am prepared to put my trust in those that know the field better than myself and armchair 'experts'. This increase in scientific scepticism is worrying. We are perhaps closer than I though to a reality of text books showing a flat Earth and denial of the moon landings
Almost as stupid sounding as a city trying to ban “sugary drinks” over 16ounces. Oh wait nvm.
 
Mar 1, 2014
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If Climate Change is real, and Coal is the enemy, then why isn’t NUCLEAR the option it should be.

Nuclear radiation hits people every day.

I don’t care about Chernobyl. The exclusion zone is twenty miles.

Too much money flowing into white lined pockets make green energy “viable”.

Until nuclear energy it utilized the green talk and the rest is utter rubbish from non serious people.

Let’s talk the Nevada Waste Dump for a second. Zero spills from hauling radioactive materials for years. But it’s the boogeyman.

I guess nobody has ever seen a bromine or chlorine spill.

Besides, since this is America and capitalism and such, Nevada could make a killing storing materials properly instead of above ground in the locations where it’s produced.

Also, Germany sunk its own ship deactivating perfectly good nuclear reactors, just like California.
Germany shutting down all of their nuclear plants is the most hilarious thing ever, the inmates are running the asylum.