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jguss

Lifer
Jul 7, 2013
2,647
7,166
Not too sure if it all global warming
Seems like the weather is getting more extreme, rather than just warming up

You’re late to the party. When the warming part of global warming turned out to be less true than advocates liked it was rebranded as climate change years ago. It’s tougher to disprove climate change and more opportunities abound for government funded research, so it’s a win all the way around.
 

AJL67

Lifer
May 26, 2022
5,495
28,134
Florida - Space Coast
Vegas had its longest recorded steak of temperatures below 100 this year. Vegas also had its hottest July ever.

The 100 degree streak was beat by one day. The hottest July ever was by one degree.

Show me the data and I’ll make the numbers work in my favor. Every time.
I believe the saying is "show me the money and i'll make the numbers work every time".
 
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
20,704
48,954
Southern Oregon
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Hope that doesn't come to pass
Keep safe all you Californians

Not too sure if it all global warming
Seems like the weather is getting more extreme, rather than just warming up
More extreme weather is in line with model predictions regarding Climate Change. It's not like there haven't been periods of change in earth's history, but we haven't had to experience and deal with it, because we weren't around to experience it.

The argument with climatologists has never been that people caused Climate Change. Rather it's around people affecting the pace of climate change, a distinction that deniers need to gloss over in their campaigns of disinformation. Somehow the notion that spewing millions, perhaps trillions of tons pollution into our air and water has no effect is ludicrous, but somehow more sensible to these "free" thinkers.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
It's obvious that Earth's climate has big swings. The argument for global warming is more evident if the graph is spread out and not so compressed to show that a more rapid increase has occurred than should have been predicted. Regardless of whether one believes in man made climate change or not, for me the real question revolves around ensuring clean air, clean water, and a clean food supply system as well a a balanced eco system for the rest of life on our planet. I don't live in an urban area precisely because of the contamination of the air. It's important to recognize that Green energy isn't necessarily "Green". My focus is trying to find Cleaner energy, and I don't think it can't be done. Great discussion.Screen Shot 2023-08-19 at 4.38.17 PM.png
 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
12,674
20,285
SE PA USA
It's obvious that Earth's climate has big swings. The argument for global warming is more evident if the graph is spread out and not so compressed to show that a more rapid increase has occurred than should have been predicted. Regardless of whether one believes in man made climate change or not, for me the real question revolves around ensuring clean air, clean water, and a clean food supply system as well a a balanced eco system for the rest of life on our planet. I don't live in an urban area precisely because of the contamination of the air. It's important to recognize that Green energy isn't necessarily "Green". My focus is trying to find Cleaner energy, and I don't think it can't be done. Great discussion.View attachment 241492
Unfortunately, like almost anything else, Conservationism has been politicized. A wedge had been driven down the middle. If you are someone who doesn't buy into man-made climate change, then you are expected to reject clean air and water initiatives, too. Vice versa, if you are a tree hugger, than you get the talking points that Conservatives want to push grandma off a cliff into a retention pond of mine tailings. I'm a conservationist and a conservative, as it should be. Keep government trimmed down to size, and keep poisons out of my environment. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. There is nothing worse than crony capitalism that protects the scum that has injected untold tons of deadly chemicals into our planet.
 

ashdigger

Lifer
Jul 30, 2016
11,392
70,232
61
Vegas Baby!!!
If Climate Change is real, and Coal is the enemy, then why isn’t NUCLEAR the option it should be.

Nuclear radiation hits people every day.

I don’t care about Chernobyl. The exclusion zone is twenty miles.

Too much money flowing into white lined pockets make green energy “viable”.

Until nuclear energy it utilized the green talk and the rest is utter rubbish from non serious people.

Let’s talk the Nevada Waste Dump for a second. Zero spills from hauling radioactive materials for years. But it’s the boogeyman.

I guess nobody has ever seen a bromine or chlorine spill.

Besides, since this is America and capitalism and such, Nevada could make a killing storing materials properly instead of above ground in the locations where it’s produced.

Also, Germany sunk its own ship deactivating perfectly good nuclear reactors, just like California.
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,025
16,070
Unfortunately, like almost anything else, Conservationism has been politicized. A wedge had been driven down the middle. If you are someone who doesn't buy into man-made climate change, then you are expected to reject clean air and water initiatives, too. Vice versa, if you are a tree hugger, than you get the talking points that Conservatives want to push grandma off a cliff into a retention pond of mine tailings. I'm a conservationist and a conservative, as it should be. Keep government trimmed down to size, and keep poisons out of my environment. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. There is nothing worse than crony capitalism that protects the scum that has injected untold tons of deadly chemicals into our planet.
There are very real environmental problems that need to be addressed, but the "environmental movement" in general was hi-jacked by the climate change BS. The idea that carbon dioxide is a dire problem is totally ludicrous...unless of course the actual agenda is simply totalitarian control...then it suddenly makes perfect sense.
 

kcghost

Lifer
May 6, 2011
15,141
25,686
77
Olathe, Kansas
You knew this day was coming. When Sable blew town, it meant that the deities of your choice was setting SoCal up for some real payback. Any second, we are going to hear the people cry out,
"Look up in the sky"
"It's a bird"
"It's a plane"
"No, it's four guys on horses!!
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,025
16,070
If Climate Change is real, and Coal is the enemy, then why isn’t NUCLEAR the option it should be.
I disagree with the premise that "climate change" is real and that coal is the enemy, so personally I do not think expansion of nuclear is a good idea given the extreme long term vigilance required to maintain and monitor and deal with the waste.

I would much rather see more focus on developing alternatives such as various forms of hydrogen use, which have been intentionally suppressed and ignored over the years IMO.

Given the deplorable state of our decaying infrastructure in general, aging nuke plants are disasters waiting to happen IMO. The world of Idiocracy is not a good place for such facilities.
 

ashdigger

Lifer
Jul 30, 2016
11,392
70,232
61
Vegas Baby!!!
I disagree with the premise that "climate change" is real and that coal is the enemy, so personally I do not think expansion of nuclear is a good idea given the extreme long term vigilance required to maintain and monitor and deal with the waste.

I would much rather see more focus on developing alternatives such as various forms of hydrogen use, which have been intentionally suppressed and ignored over the years IMO.

Given the deplorable state of our decaying infrastructure in general, aging nuke plants are disasters waiting to happen IMO. The world of Idiocracy is not a good place for such facilities.
All technologies evolve, unless you’re paid for them not too.