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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
20,414
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Southern Oregon
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There is a ballot initiative that has been filed to overturn the ban on flavored tobacco. It still has to get signatures and all that to actually make it on the ballot -- in Nov 2022.

I think the recall really only has to do with the Governor (which over simplifies things). I don't think tobacco or anti-smoking is involved.
The news item I read stated that they had around twice the number of signatures needed for the initiative to qualify.
 
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telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Don’t cha go away uneasy…
Watching little girls panties, even for lyrics of that time, is and was a bit perverted. But, in my senior literature class back in the 70s we were all too busy staring at Ms. Music’s gold colored bra easily seen through her unbuttoned purple blouse as she read the lyrics for us to respond to. She was open about dating high school boys so long as they had graduated. We all wanted to graduate.
 

EssJaySea

Can't Leave
May 12, 2021
435
6,572
Sebastopol, CA
The news item I read stated that they had around twice the number of signatures needed for the initiative to qualify.
Sorry -- you are correct. It has qualified. I didn't realize it was so far along. (There are a bunch of initiatives showing up lately; it has been in the works far longer.)

So, to be clear: In November 2022, CA voters will decide whether to overturn the ban on flavored tobacco.

An interesting thing I am seeing: A YES vote would uphold the ban; a NO vote would overturn it. (That runs counter to how I'd imagine it -- I would think an initiative to overturn something would be Yes to do that. Probably they are counting on its being easier to get people to vote NO.)
 
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telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Sorry -- you are correct. It has qualified. I didn't realize it was so far along. (There are a bunch of initiatives showing up lately; it has been in the works far longer.)

So, to be clear: In November 2022, CA voters will decide whether to overturn the ban on flavored tobacco.

An interesting thing I am seeing: A YES vote would uphold the ban; a NO vote would overturn it. (That runs counter to how I'd imagine it -- I would think an initiative to overturn something would be Yes to do that. Probably they are counting on its being easier to get people to vote NO.)
Yah, it's that way for a reason.
 

DAR

Can't Leave
Aug 2, 2020
355
1,114
Tiburon, California
Sorry -- you are correct. It has qualified. I didn't realize it was so far along. (There are a bunch of initiatives showing up lately; it has been in the works far longer.)

So, to be clear: In November 2022, CA voters will decide whether to overturn the ban on flavored tobacco.

An interesting thing I am seeing: A YES vote would uphold the ban; a NO vote would overturn it. (That runs counter to how I'd imagine it -- I would think an initiative to overturn something would be Yes to do that. Probably they are counting on its being easier to get people to vote NO.)
The same thing happened when gay marriage was on the ballot in Ca. Yes meant no and No meant yes and that's how it didn't pass the first time.
 
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Aomalley27

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 8, 2021
763
1,701
Chicagoland area
Wow, sorry...I completely just left out the most important part! I'm specifically concerned about online ordering, and whether this will continue to be available going forward. I know WA and ME have already done this, and I know State of California likes tobacco about as much as vegan likes carnitas. Any insight is appreciated.

Thanks!
I believe you forgot Maine and Utah.
 

EssJaySea

Can't Leave
May 12, 2021
435
6,572
Sebastopol, CA
On this yes/no-no/yes question, the initiative is giving CA voters the say BEFORE the ban (which was approved by the Legislature and Governor a year ago) goes into effect -- so a Yes means "continue with the ban as planned" and a No means "overturn the decision on the ban by elected officials."

It is also going to be a very crowded ballot, as things are shaping up now. (That includes a few things CA already has voted on -- we tend to have ballot measures over and over.)
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
20,414
47,745
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
On this yes/no-no/yes question, the initiative is giving CA voters the say BEFORE the ban (which was approved by the Legislature and Governor a year ago) goes into effect -- so a Yes means "continue with the ban as planned" and a No means "overturn the decision on the ban by elected officials."

It is also going to be a very crowded ballot, as things are shaping up now. (That includes a few things CA already has voted on -- we tend to have ballot measures over and over.)
At least we have the initiative process, so the voters can overturn something approved in the assembly, or promote legislation that politicos are afraid to touch. Hardwired into the State's Constitution, it provides some remedy to governmental absolutism and corruption. In only 15 states do citizens have this right to change or initiate laws at a state level. 10 other States have more limited versions and the other half of the country has bupkis.
 

Aomalley27

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 8, 2021
763
1,701
Chicagoland area
ME = Maine. I didn't know about Utah, though. I think Massachusetts also has some restrictions. Who the hell can even keep track anymore?
South Dakota is one too.
And I believe Massachusetts has a flavored tobacco ban. If I recall correctly, you can only buy at licensed “tobacco bars” and have to consume it there. Can’t take it home with you.
So no online orders of Aromatics for the bean eaters
 
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Aomalley27

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 8, 2021
763
1,701
Chicagoland area
Funny how most propositions are presented as “To be used for abatement and health”; yet very little is actually used towards those goals.
I know in my state of Illinois; less than 12% is put towards Abatement or cessation programs. The rest goes into largesse.
If it’s “for the children”; you can bet it’s anything but.
 

Aomalley27

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 8, 2021
763
1,701
Chicagoland area
Illinois took in 1.15 Billion in tobacco revenues, and spent 17 Million on Tobacco Abatement or Cessation programs.
California 2.8 Billion, and spent 231 Million on A/C
Massachusetts 794 Million, 5.1 million spent on A/C
Washington 522 Million, spent 7.1
It’s painfully obvious the “save the children” legislation is more “get rich quick”.
Now some of the taxes do fund worthwhile programs like CHIP; so next time a nicotine Nazi harasses you, tell them you’re doing your part helping to insure children that otherwise would go uninsured. Tell them you’re smoking “for the children”?
 
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