Calculating The Heat of Compression

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georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
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georged:

The video-link you posted showing the model submarine imploding makes me wonder what would happen to the nuclear reactor on a real one in such an event?

Nothing dramatic. Meaning the reactor is just "treated as part of the submarine's structure" by the ocean. It gets squished along with everything else.

They're sure because it actually happened when the Thresher exceeded crush depth while under power in 1963 (it was deep dive testing).
 

renfield

Lifer
Oct 16, 2011
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As far as calculating the temperature, it would be very difficult.

At the temperatures and densities seen during the implosion you’d have a chemically reacting gas. That would substantially reduce the peak temperature below what the adiabatic compression equation would give. The calculations for an unsteady, chemically reacting flow would be onerous.

It’d still be very, very hot.
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Nothing dramatic. Meaning the reactor is just "treated as part of the submarine's structure" by the ocean. It gets squished along with everything else.

They're sure because it actually happened when the Thresher exceeded crush depth while under power in 1963 (it was deep dive testing).
April 10, 1963 was a Wednesday which meant Daddy milked early and we all went to Wednesday night services.

As we were leaving for church the phone rang and Mama went back in the house to answer it.

She came out crying saying a boy whose grandparents were regular church members had gone down on a submarine named Thresher.

The boy had usually spent most of his summers in Humansville.

I just called an old friend who remembered the boy dying on the Thresher but like me, couldn’t remember his name.

But he recalled how we children tolled the bell that evening, with all those grown ups crying, for our sailor lost out on the sea.

When I got home I was all excited about submarines, but my Mama shook me hard and made me promise her to never to put her through what that boy’s mother and grandmother were enduring that night.

He’s still down there, on the Thresher.

What’s left of him.
 
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Hfinn

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Don't forget, the viewing window was rated for a maximum depth of 1300 meters. So unless the window doesn't count, Wiki is wrong.
You are right. Upon closer look, the pressure limit of 4,285 psi does not align with the pressure of over 5,000 psi at the depth of the Titanic, where the Titan has successfully descended several times.

I checked the source of information about the limitation on Wiki and found that this information is true, but it is only relevant for 2016. It has since been repaired and modified multiple times.
 
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Hfinn

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Thus, (again, if my arithmetic is correct) the Titan should have been approximately 10,938 feet below the sea surface. According to the Hydrostatic Pressure Calculator on the omnicalculator.com Website, the pressure at that depth would have been 4,757 pounds per square-inch.
Your calculation is correct. I used the same calculation technique; the difference arose due to the usage of different duration parameters for the dive. I used 2 hours and 30 minutes, while you used 2 hours.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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For all of our calculations and postulations and careful arm chair analysis of implosions and pressures, etc etc ——
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After consultation with international partner investigative agencies, the Marine Board of Investigation (MBI) intends to transport the evidence aboard a U.S. Coast Guard cutter to a port in the United States where the MBI will be able to facilitate further analysis and testing," the statement reads.

"United States medical professionals will conduct a formal analysis of presumed human remains that have been carefully recovered within the wreckage at the site of the incident."

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Well, if we’re right about everything it would get boring, you know?