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mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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If C&D relocates, though not a relocation of region, the new location won't be a huge distance, they will

probably lose some of the old timers, which will likely change the team and the thinking quite a bit.

I think we'll see significant changes, probably in reducing the number of blends, and also in focusing

on what their specialties will be. I'm always glad when small companies can maintain their autonomy,

but in this case, the change might be good.

 

saltedplug

Lifer
Aug 20, 2013
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If you look at smokingpipes.com's ever-increasing sales, you have to admire how absolutely every detail in the sales of pipes has been sharpened like a well-honed knife. When you pull up the site the banner is a very carefully polished picture of a multi-hundred pipe. It shifts to five or so other pipes that have been lovingly photographed. Thus even if you visit for the purpose of buying something other than a pipe, you get pitched on your way in the door. And if you're shopping for an artisan pipe, every effort to capitalize visually on these pipes through the splendid pictures has been made; the most arresting angles and photo touchups to show the pipes in the most captivating way. Also of note on the home page are the "X Fresh Pipes" statistics. So if they didn't sell you the last time you visited, they draw your attention to what they have posted recently, calling these posts "fresh." I am not aware of any other vendor that uses this language, and by now I no longer think about it. But you have to admit that it is catchy.
For a half-dozen years sp seemed to be thinking these site details through, but now they seem to have achieved mastery. Their list of pipe makers seems to get bigger by the day.
Such business acumen seems strongly effective. I wonder if they are not the biggest, most profitable site extant. There are other big players, like Synjeco of Switzerland, but not many. Improving profit by reorganizing and improving C&D would seem to be just their current direction. They seem infallible.

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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4nogginsmike, I think smokingpipes.com really has it together in a number of ways. The site is engineered

with a high level of expertise. You buy a pipe, the pipe is off the site. The videos of high end pipes are like

porn. It really is the school for online sales, and not just pipes. But equally, they have somehow maintained

a human touch, so they brought a pipe to a pipe show for me, to save me shipping. When tobacco gift for a

friend didn't make it for Christmas -- even though it did arrive -- they paid shipping for my next tobacco

order. I think this combination has built volume sales, which in turn has enabled them to remain competitive

in prices across the price levels on pipes and tobacco. They aren't the lowest bidder for everything, but if

you are buying several items, pipes and/or tobacco, you'll do fine. However, do not despair. Other online

retail sites offer pipes you can't get at SP, and tobaccos as well. Last time I checked, I preferred 4noggins

sampler packs for smaller quantities and more blends. At all of our sponsor sites, I can spot items and

pricing that keep SP on their toes. But right now, it's true, they are the teachers.

 

troutface

Lifer
Oct 26, 2012
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Colorado
I was at the B&M today and spotted some fresh stock from C&D that had the new labels. You can see the new labels on the SP website. The transformation will be interesting.

 

derfargin

Lifer
Mar 3, 2014
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New labels? Which ones? You mean the new "cellar series?" Oak Alley, Joie De Vivre, and Chenet's Cake? Or did you see revamping of existing blend labels?

 

rcstan

Lifer
Mar 7, 2012
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Guys, I must make a correction in the timing of the move. I was gracefully informed by Ted Swearingen ( he's on here too ) that January 2014 ( formal merger date ) plus the +/- 18 months for C&D to move lock, stock, barrel(s) etc from Morganton equals sometimes in 2015.

 

swilford

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 30, 2010
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Hey everyone,
Great thread! And it's hardly a heretical observation. If you suggested we get rid of Briar Fox, now that would be heresy (and would never happen).
Seriously, we're working on these things, but it also takes time.
Given the number of things mentioned, I thought I'd pick some and weigh in:
1) Back in the fall, when Chris Tarler and I were still talking in terms of possibly merging the companies, I suggested that C&D's product catalog was vast and ungainly. I helped Chris and Keith with some new ways to look at the problem and they started trimming selections from the catalog. I helped, but sort of in the way a marriage counselor helps: I tried to bring a fresh perspective to the deliberative process and helped them to think in new ways, but didn't push for any particular outcome or blends. So, in September/October, the catalog was cut by around 30%. Indicative of the size of the catalog and the overlap with so many very similar blends, that 30% went away without anyone much noticing.
That took it down to around 140 different blends in the C&D catalog (TR will have more because they have listings for everything, ever). It looks like a lot more on various websites because a given blend is often offered in two, three or even four formats, which was something else we were working on reining in. I don't know what we'll do in the future, but I do know that we'll manage the blend portfolio carefully.
But, I hear you, it's still a lot and still a bit of a muddle. Some of it is a function of the number of blends and some of it is a function of communicating about the line (which business people like to call 'marketing').
We've done a few things to try to ameliorate the latter:
- New label art for everything that had generic labels in the past, color coded by blend type, with descriptions on the tins/labels. There are still some older tins floating out there, but everything being made now that didn't have labels previously, now has them.
- We reworked a bunch of blend descriptions. I say we, but mostly Bear Graves and Keith Toney. The blends didn't change, but sometimes the descriptions previously required a level of intimate knowledge of the line that was unreasonable to expect for anyone who hadn't worked there for a decade (me included: I found myself asking Keith and Chris, 'so what is ____ blend?' on a ton of occasions because the description would be something like: "We took 942 base and added 421 to it, plus some perique. Which is good." I mean, that's awesome and all, unless you don't have any idea what 942 and 421 are (and I totally just made up the example, but there were a bunch like this).
- New C&D website (www.cornellanddiehl.com). It's still a work in progress, but we've tried to make it much easier to find stuff you're after by grouping things by blend type and components.
- We're working on, though I don't have date yet, on a small leaflet/catalog for the line with blend descriptions and the like. I don't know exactly what this will look like yet, but it's in the works. Once it's done, we'll give a ton of them away.
- We're working on new label art for the rest of the line (the part that already had artwork), both to help folks understand what's in the tin and to generally update it and make it snazzier. This is a mammoth project. We just wrapped up Autumn Evening and Briar Fox and we'll slowly work our way through the line over the coming months (or years, though I hope it doesn't take years).
- And the line needs better groupings into series. Interestingly, C&D thought of the line this way to a great degree, but the artwork and descriptions didn't tie the series together. We're working on that.
And generally, Peck, you're right about the need to step back and create show-stopping blends. We're working on this. Or, mostly, Chris is working on this. But what Chris has now that he didn't have before is a whole lot more knowledgeable tobacco folks at hand to help him flesh out ideas. It used to be just Chris and Keith, but now Ted, Adam, Jeremy, Shane, Brandon, Josh and a host of other pipe smokers in the greater Laudisi family are all serving as sounding boards too. Similarly, we're working on (though we're still at the infancy stage of this) developing some mechanism to focus group potential new blends with pipe clubs (or something; as I said, we're figuring this out).
2) The move:
Yes, C&D will move in August-ish of next year (2015). Offers of moving allowances and whatnot have been extended to the existing staff. It looks like some will move and some will not (Ted, head blender at C&D is 78, so he's been talking about retiring for awhile). C&D needs to move regardless. If they were to stay in Morganton, they'd either need to expand the existing plant or move into bigger digs (probably the latter) simply because they don't have the space.
3) Big company / Small company stuff:
Yeah, most mergers/takeovers suck. Most of the time, big company buys small company, totally screws it up and ends up selling it for parts on the side of the highway. Even successful mergers--in a money sense--often still suck for consumers and employees.
Some things to keep in mind with this one and why it's different:
Laudisi is a small company. It has 60 employees, not 60,000. I've known the Tarlers for fourteen years. Craig was like an extra uncle to me. We're not suits sitting in New York or Atlanta looking at income statements. We're pipe smokers. Looking at tobacco. And thinking: what cool stuff can we do with this? What can Laudisi do as a parent company to make C&D even more awesome?
Laudisi acquired C&D because we wanted a company we could work together on to make better, not because we wanted a revenue stream or because bigger is better. I think we are make it better. Chris and the guys at C&D have worked really hard, as have folks from across the company, to take a good company and make it great. It will take time for the benefits to be widely visible--we're just six months in--but, as you all observed, some of those benefits are beginning to be apparent.
In brief: we want what you guys want.
4) Thanks for all the kind words about Smokingpipes.com. We're constantly trying to make that better too. Today we launched the Tobacco Locator (after a few weeks of Jeremy and Adam and Shane going through 1600-odd blends with tweezers) analog to our Pipe Locator. It's here:

http://www.smokingpipes.com/searchtobacco/search.cfm
You can use it to help figure out which C&D blends you want to try ;)
In general, thank you all for the feedback and for sharing your thoughts.
FWIW, I'm smoking Bayou Morning Flake right now. If you're looking for a Virginia/Perique in the C&D line to try, it's pretty awesome.
Sykes

 

ghost

Lifer
May 17, 2012
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Thanks for the update!
Just tried the Tobacco Locator, very cool! Seems to work like a charm. It reminds me a bit of the 'pickup wizard' on the Seymour Duncan website for any guitarists out there. Excellent tool!

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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Sykes, what a good and candid account of what's happening with Cornell & Diehl and its many blends. Thank you.

It sounds like good things are coming our pipe-smoking way. Peck, this is a great thread, great responses. Maybe

you need your own talk show.

 

torque

Can't Leave
May 21, 2013
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You know, even after some of us roasted C&D pretty badly for their shortcomings, you still came on and answered the call of this thread and laid out some pretty candid info on the direction the company is headed. I can certainly respect that.
I'll tell you what. In my next smokingpipes order (and that's who I currently spend my tobacco budget with) I'll throw in a can of Bayou Morning Flake since it is one that I haven't tried. If it knocks my socks off I'll come back on the forum and say so (and eat a fair helping of crow, lol). If not then I'll say that also. Either way, I'll give C&D another fair and honest chance to earn my future business. I do want to find an American blender that hits on all cylinders for me, I honestly have a thing for buying American made products where possible.
I think the tobacco finder applet is a great idea. I'm certainly willing to admit that while wandering the vast catalog with only vague descriptions for guidance, I could have made several wrong (for my taste anyway) choices. With so many blends I certainly didn't do an exhaustive sampling before giving up, it would simply take too long and cost too much in both dollars and frustration. Maybe with a more streamlined and guided approach I will have an easier time homing in on what I find pleasing and tasteful.

 

swilford

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 30, 2010
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Torque:
Thanks for the reply. I didn't think C&D was getting that bad a roasting. I thought a lot of the criticisms were fair. Seriously, I thought you guys offered up constructive suggestions and useful commentary. And a lot of it was similar to stuff we were already thinking about.
Also, I want to iterate how central to C&D's transformation Chris Tarler is. I was pretty candid about the stuff we're working on with C&D, which makes it sort of sound like I think it was broken before and I'm swooping in and fixing it, which is not the case. A whole lot of the change is coming from Chris, now that he has the freedom to focus on these things and access to wider expertise in fields outside of tobacco manufacture (like marketing and software development and whatnot).
And having thrown down a gauntlet of sorts with the Bayou Morning Flake thing, I really hope you like it ;)
Sykes

 

swilford

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 30, 2010
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747
Longs, SC
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On a somewhat related note, I'm curious about the rebranding of a specific offering. If you read the the description of the C&D blend 5 O'Clock Shadow, and Pease's Triple Play, they sound oddly similar. They look identical as well. Just something I noticed.
I meant to address this earlier and forgot to.
General answer:
We don't do this. There are some C&D blends that are fairly similar to other C&D blends, but there aren't any that are identical.
Specific answer:

Um, Triple Plan and 5 O'Clock Shadow are pretty different. Color-wise there are similarities, but that's mostly because red virginia cavendish and red virginia ribbon look pretty much identical and the former is used in abundance in 5 O'Clock Shadow and the latter is used in quantity in Triple Play. Plus there's bright leaf in Triple Plan and there isn't any in Five O'Clock Shadow. And there are other differences too. They taste pretty different to me.
Sykes

 
Dec 24, 2012
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Sykes, many thanks for the response. I appreciate the candor.
If you suggested we get rid of Briar Fox, now that would be heresy (and would never happen)
I would never suggest that. Briar Fox is my favourite C&D blend and the most represented C&D blend in my cellar. Number 2 is Night Train.
Sounds like you guys are on the right track and I truly hope C&D just gets better and better and that we see a lot of new and interesting blends.

 

murf

Can't Leave
Mar 1, 2013
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I recently placed an order for mostly C&D. the only blend i had tried of theirs before was briar fox. I've now tried pirate kake (loved it), first responders (good simple smoke so far, similar to H&H marble cake). star of the east flake was backordered when i put it in my cart, seems like it has been switched to "out of stock" FOREVER (ok, maybe a little over a month). I forget what else i ordered.
Anyway, the tobacco locator woulda been great! I just kinda picked what sounded familiar, blends that have been mentioned here before.
Like torque, I'm now invested in finding American blends. That is not to say that I wont smoke any more of the foreign stuff, however. But i look forward to exploring more of the C&D line

 

captainbob

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 5, 2010
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swilford,
Sykes, thank you for the response in our Forum. By the way, I am honored that my blend made the "cut". I do like the merger and I have been well satisfied with ordering from smokingpipes.com. I see this all as a very good thing for everyone concerned. Your communication is very much appreciated and I am a solid fan of the merger. Chris knows this,too. Craig and I talked about the future and he shared his views with me. Craig's dreams are coming true. Congratulations to you and Chris. I wish you the best of luck!

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derfargin

Lifer
Mar 3, 2014
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29
Kennesaw, GA
I meant to address this earlier and forgot to.
General answer:
We don't do this. There are some C&D blends that are fairly similar to other C&D blends, but there aren't any that are identical.
Wow, I'll step up and take that one in the teeth. Truth be told, I have only smoked the 5 O'Clock Shadow, and haven't gotten around to obtaining Triple Play for a comparison. I was merely going off of descriptions. Shame on me for not having the facts and insinuating sub-par business practices. For that, I apologize. I do however, VERY much appreciate your direct approach Sykes. It speaks volumes of the type of people behind C&D. I like that trait in people, and businesses. When employees stand up for the company they're passionate about, in my mind, it can only garner respect.
I'm looking forward to seeing where C&D is headed.
Now if you'll excuse me...I need to go remove my foot from my mouth so I can smoke my pipe.

 

tennsmoker

Lifer
Jul 2, 2010
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This thread (thank you, Peck) has really triggered a lot of memories for me.
When Craig and Patty Tarler moved to Morganton, N.C., back in the 1990s, I found them on the Internet.Their website featured a rabbit jumping out of a hat. Enjoy the Magic the caption said.
A very good friend, Keith Toney, an asset to any tobacco shop, worked for an outstanding tobacconist in Knoxville, who had an astounding inventory of tobacco, but not much in the way of business acumen.
Keith to his credit left and joined Craig in Morganton. I’m glad he did, because he brought his vast knowledge of tobacco and pipes to C&D and is already in South Carolina ahead of the merger that Sykes has explained so well.
I began my history with C&D in the early 1990s ordering such tobaccos as Tuggle Hall, Two Friends Deacon Downfall, Yale Mixture, and Mild English from Craig, talking to him directly on the phone.
Later as Craig and Patty expanded their mom and pop operation, I just moved on right with them into Old Joe Krantz, Haunted Bookshop, Night Train, Epiphany, Exhausted Rooster, Briar Fox, Bow Legged Bear, Pennington Gap, Purple Cow, Burley Flake #1-3, with a preference for No. 3, Virginia Gentleman, Three Friars, Two Friends Valle Crucis, Two Friends Heritage, Yorktown, Old College, Founding Fathers, Billy Budd, Junkyard Dawg, Easy Times, London Squire, Morley’s Best, Engine #99, Big ‘n Burley.
You can see that I loved my C&D tobaccos.
And if you ask how many of these blends I have in my cellar, the answer is: A Lot. The ones I have mentioned are "just a few."
If others were turned off by the “kitsy” names of the blends, I loved them, because they reminded me of the South, my beloved home.
True, Craig and Patty are not Southern born and bred, but they hired an artist who was, and the art spoke to me.

If I needed more, I simply picked up the phone and called Craig or Patty.
In my opinion, Craig and Patty Tarler were the First Couple in Tobacco Manufacturing. He was the PR, upfront guy, and she was the bookkeeper, the steady rock, the one who held it all together. He was the idea man. Patty was the glue. Craig is where you got the odd tin art, only I think of it as excellent promotional art and something that attracts the pipe smoker’s eye.
See, we love our weird in the South.
Craig was also pretty decent as a tobacco blender. He and the late renowned blender Bob Runowski came up with blends that will compete with any of them.
In the early days, Craig and Patty ran the company out of their home (living room, garage, bedroom, etc.).
I was among their first 100 customers, I think. My memory may be fading here, but I recall Craig telling me that I was in the top 60s of his first list of customers when he moved to Morganton. I loved C&D tobaccos, and the blend names spoke to me. Talking to Craig Tarler was just a fun experience. Here was a man with vast marketing talent and promotional expertise. He was a newspaperman's treasure.
I am forever grateful for having known Craig and Patty Tarler and to know them as friends.
As for Peck’s assertion that perhaps there are too many tobaccos in the C&D stable of tobaccos to define a brand, I happen to love the diversity of Cornell & Diehl.
There might be too many blends. But, then, if you go into a grocery store today, you cam become unstable trying to pick out a simple soap with which to wash the dishes.
I love C&D's burleys, something for which they are known.
Of course, those who feel burleys are codger blends or too strong, that has to be checked off as a matter of taste. I grew up on them, and love them.
I especially enjoy C&D’s Epiphany. It reminds me of my physics professor, friend of Einstein. I have smoked a container ship load of it.
Craig had a knack for promotion, but I also think today that C&D is in steady hands. Chris Tarler, son of Craig and Patty, watched his amazing father and mother create a brand from a place in North Carolina where tobacco was once king.
C&D will be moving on to one of the modern tobacco companies of today, Laudisi Distribution Group, along the beautiful coast of South Carolina just above Myrtle Beach and the crystalline sands of Pawley's Island.
This merger will turn out to be a fine and productive marriage. You can rely upon Chris and Sykes to trim where trimming needs to be, keeping what is working, and aiming to please pipe smokers with some of the best tobaccos in the land.
Craig and Patty Tarler brought C&D from its roots and their son Chris in partnership with Sykes Wilford and Smokingpipes.com will move it into its future.

 

beargraves

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Dec 17, 2013
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Tennsmoker, thanks for sharing your memories about the Tarlers and C&D, as well as your take on many of the blends. FWIW, here is a tribute to Craig and Patty, with a fair amount of detailed insight for those who didn't know the couple/company to the extent you did/do.
http://cornellanddiehl.com/the-latest-details.cfm?id=23
Smoke in peace

 
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