Bob Dylan -- Nobel Laureate 2016.... Well Deserved

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pappymac

Lifer
Feb 26, 2015
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They way they award these prizes make no sense. I don't think Dylan is a Nobel Prize winner in literature. But that's my opinion and not those Europeans who do the voting.

Sort of like I didn't think Obama deserved the Nobel Peace Prize so soon after he was elected President. I still don't think he deserves it.

 

ssjones

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May 11, 2011
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We saw this exhibit at the Nashville Country Music Hall of Fame last year, on Dylan/Cash and the Memphis Cats. It was outstanding.

http://countrymusichalloffame.org/exhibits/exhibitdetail/dylan-cash-and-the-nashville-cats-a-new-music-city#.WAzDSce7qUk

 

kcghost

Lifer
May 6, 2011
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Olathe, Kansas
This award is more sensible than the Obama one, but can't believe there aren't 1,000 writers in the world more deserving. Good song writer maybe, great writer no.

 

huntertrw

Lifer
Jul 23, 2014
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wyfbane

Lifer
Apr 26, 2013
5,382
4,795
Tennessee
To me this is entirely different from the Obama Nobel prize for one important reason:
Production
Dylan has produced. Lyrics, literature, music, all sorts of things. When President Obama received the award it was 'in the hopes of future production'. To me that is totally different.
Now did he deserve it? Did Yassar Arafat? I have long since given up on how the hell the swedes toss those things around.
I am about as right wing as you can get, but I have ALWAYS loved Dylan's lyrics. I saw him in concert with Joni Mitchell and Van Morrison. It was a terrific concert.
In this day and age, we have far crazier things going on than who gets the nobel lit prize this year. Just sayin'.

 

igloo

Lifer
Jan 17, 2010
4,083
5
woodlands tx
Darkness at the break of noon

Shadows even the silver spoon

The handmade blade, the child's balloon

Eclipses both the sun and moon

To understand you know too soon

There is no sense in trying
Pointed threats, they bluff with scorn

Suicide remarks are torn

From the fool's gold mouthpiece

The hollow horn plays wasted words

Proves to warn that he not busy being born

Is busy dying.
Temptation's page flies out the door

You follow, find yourself at war

Watch waterfalls of pity roar

You feel to moan but unlike before

You discover that you'd just be

One more person crying
So don't fear if you hear

A foreign sound to your ear

It's alright, Ma, I'm only sighing
As some warn victory, some downfall

Private reasons great or small

Can be seen in the eyes of those that call

To make all that should be killed to crawl

While others say don't hate nothing at all

Except hatred.
Disillusioned words like bullets bark

As human gods aim for their mark

Made everything from toy guns that spark

To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark

It's easy to see without looking too far

That not much is really sacred.
While preachers preach of evil fates

Teachers teach that knowledge waits

Can lead to hundred-dollar plates

Goodness hides behind its gates

But even the president of the United States

Sometimes must have to stand naked
An' though the rules of the road have been lodged

It's only people's games that you got to dodge

And it's alright, Ma, I can make it
Advertising signs that con you

Into thinking you're the one

That can do what's never been done

That can win what's never been won

Meantime life outside goes on

All around you.
You lose yourself, you reappear

You suddenly find you got nothing to fear

Alone you stand with nobody near

When a trembling distant voice, unclear

Startles your sleeping ears to hear

That somebody thinks they really found you
A question in your nerves is lit

Yet you know there is no answer fit to satisfy

Insure you not to quit

To keep it in your mind and not fergit

That it is not he or she or them or it

That you belong to
Although the masters make the rules

For the wise men and the fools

I got nothing, Ma, to live up to
For them that must obey authority

That they do not respect in any degree

Who despise their jobs, their destinies

Speak jealously of them that are free

Do what they do just to be nothing more than something they invest in
While some on principles baptized

To strict party platform ties

Social clubs in drag disguise

Outsiders they can freely criticize

Tell nothing except who to idolize

And then say God bless him.
While one who sings with his tongue on fire

Gargles in the rat race choir

Bent out of shape from society's pliers

Cares not to come up any higher

But rather get you down in the hole that he's in
But I mean no harm nor put fault

On anyone that lives in a vault

But it's alright, Ma, if I can't please him
Old lady judges watch people in pairs

Limited in sex, they dare

To push fake morals, insult and stare

While money doesn't talk, it swears

Obscenity, who really cares

Propaganda, all is phony
While them that defend what they cannot see

With a killer's pride, security

It blows the minds most bitterly

For them that think death's honesty

Won't fall upon them naturally

Life sometimes must get lonely
My eyes collide head-on with stuffed graveyards

False gods, I scuff

At pettiness which plays so rough

Walk upside-down inside handcuffs

Kick my legs to crash it off

Say okay, I have had enough

What else can you show me
And if my thought-dreams could be seen

They'd probably put my head in a guillotine

But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only
Songwriters: BOB DYLAN

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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So far, no response from the man himself. His staff has acknowledged the Swedish Academy's announcement, but nothing from Bob. This may mean that he is having some thoughts about it himself. I think his self-image is grand enough to accept the honor, but he may feel, as others have, that the prize can co-opt ones independence. I think the push-back from on-the-page authors might prompt him to accept the award to show a musician can do this. His response, when it comes, will be notable.
I appreciated Mother Teresa's Nobel speech, which was rather angry, her having spent fifty years running a hospice for the poorest of the poor. Sartre rejected the Prize outright, in line with his revolutionary stance. Money and all. T.S. Eliot gave an unforgettable speech pointing out how limiting language was as compared to visual arts, music, etc., which can be appreciated beyond language boundaries. Really an insightful lecture with humility and grace, which was a lot, since Eliot could, on the other hand, be quite an elitist, more than a bit of a snob. The Prize is a big "SAT test" for the overachievers, no question. Saint Teresa didn't kowtow to no champagne and tuxedos.

 

wyfbane

Lifer
Apr 26, 2013
5,382
4,795
Tennessee
mso, I too am kinda waiting for his response. I agree it will be noteworthy. Now I need to go find some Bob to listen too. lol

 

beefeater33

Lifer
Apr 14, 2014
4,251
6,762
Central Ohio
Take the guitar out of this, and just hear the words............. some of the greatest poetry ever written....... :puffy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeP4FFr88SQ

 
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