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mawnansmiff

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The expanded role of Mike Ehrmentrout adds a lot to the show.
I'd almost forgotten about his character it being so long since I watched BB. He was a no nonsense fixer who always got his job done no matter what, I really liked him. He was so different from his employer who struck me as a bit of a bumbler and chancer but nice with it too.

When I first read/heard about BCS I thought 'how can they make a whole series about those two characters' but clearly it worked so the sooner I get seasons 3 & 4 the sooner I can get watching.

Cheers guys.

Regards,

Jay.
 

milk

Lifer
Sep 21, 2022
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I can’t understand how people think BCS was better. I thought it was kind of a silly show. Just my subjective opinion. I did watch it until the end. The writers battled hard to try to make it interesting. BB I’ve rewatched several times. You couldn’t pay me to sit through BCS again.
 
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ssjones

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I'd almost forgotten about his character it being so long since I watched BB. He was a no nonsense fixer who always got his job done no matter what, I really liked him. He was so different from his employer who struck me as a bit of a bumbler and chancer but nice with it too.

When I first read/heard about BCS I thought 'how can they make a whole series about those two characters' but clearly it worked so the sooner I get seasons 3 & 4 the sooner I can get watching.

Cheers guys.

Regards,

Jay.
You are going to enjoy this series, and the back-story for all the main characters.
 

milk

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Its good.
Slows down a bit with the whole Chuck thing. But it picks up.
The end was a bit disappointing IMO. But overall it was great
So much of that show is slow and low stakes. I really had a hard time caring about any of it. Fights between brothers and lawyers, Howard, Kim, etc., that went on and on and were increasingly uninteresting. Younger Mike, looking older, digging holes, leading to interminable plots. It’s all got that sort of formula invented on BB but less novel, less vital. When you start BB, it’s so fresh and crazy and new. The dynamics of those characters make the show tick and though they arguably milked it a bit too much, it did run hot and have many organically conceived high points. It was a great yarn and unique. With BCS, I could hear the writers thoughts as those plots unfolded (how cool they wanted it to be, how exciting they wanted the plot).
I think Gilligan loses points for all the fan service additions to BB. Yes, the audience was there for it. But it’s not Star Trek. It doesn’t need to go on and on. I give more credit to David Simon or even David Milch. Those guys didn’t have overwhelming success later but they tried hard (although I didn’t much like the Deadwood movie. Al cleaning blood-soaked stairs was my ending). It’s hard to strike gold twice. Maybe it’s better to settle and keep mining the same mine. I get it. I don’t mean to offend anyone here about a TV show. It’s just my opinion. It’s just TV. I could be wrong.
 

milk

Lifer
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The age of great TV is over. Streaming doesn’t lend itself to supporting the vision of an individual genius like Vince Gilligan or David Milch. It just wants enough content that’s good enough to keep enough subscribers. It’s like power companies. I guess this is what the strike is about also. Them squeezing writers and actors to get more mediocre content for less. I know there are professionals on this forum who can speak to this and maybe it calls for its own thread. It’s an interesting topic. But I doubt it’s a coincidence that we don’t see shows anymore of the quality of The Wire, Breaking Bad, Deadwood, Mad Men, etc.
 

ADKPiper

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The age of great TV is over. Streaming doesn’t lend itself to supporting the vision of an individual genius like Vince Gilligan or David Milch. It just wants enough content that’s good enough to keep enough subscribers. It’s like power companies. I guess this is what the strike is about also. Them squeezing writers and actors to get more mediocre content for less. I know there are professionals on this forum who can speak to this and maybe it calls for its own thread. It’s an interesting topic. But I doubt it’s a coincidence that we don’t see shows anymore of the quality of The Wire, Breaking Bad, Deadwood, Mad Men, etc.
I think it's a mixed bag.
Breaking Bad was in danger of being canceled and it came alive when AMC decided to offer it on Netflix.
HBO being a subscription service was sort of streaming before streaming.
It's unclear to me where is will lead. But it COULD open the door to more better contend just by virtue of not having to pick what occupies time slots.

 

greysmoke

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Just to make this point in general:

If you're ever to compare the two -- BB and BCS -- consider that BB came first and shouldered the entire burden of worldbuilding, as well as establishing some of the core characters that appeared on BCS together with their backstories. Take that into consideration, plus the greatly slimmed down cast and storylines of BCS, and you gain an even better appreciation of the breakthrough character of BB.

I enjoyed BCS immensely, but it was a prologue added to the tour de force that was BB.
 

mso489

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I liked the PBS series All Creatures Great and Small. It's sentimental and feel-goody, but unusually well scripted, acted, filmed and edited.

For a mob movie fix, without committing to a whole series that takes many hours, I liked "The Irishman" with Robert DeNiro, playing the character from his twenties into his sixties. It is sort of a hypothetical take on what ever happened to Jimmy Hoffa, but a creditable guess.
 
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renfield

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I’d say Saul did at as much world building as BB. Things and people that were mentioned or alluded to in BB got a full development in Saul.

Both shows are great and very different kinds of shows. One is more action driven the other more character driven. One is a morality play, the other is a character study at its heart.

The quality of the acting was a step above in Saul, IMO. Watch the physical subtleties of Rhea Seehorn’s performances. She’s using her entire body without being over the top or blunt. Reminded me of Spencer Tracy at his best.
 

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I’d say Saul did at as much world building as BB. Things and people that were mentioned or alluded to in BB got a full development in Saul.

Both shows are great and very different kinds of shows. One is more action driven the other more character driven. One is a morality play, the other is a character study at its heart.

The quality of the acting was a step above in Saul, IMO. Watch the physical subtleties of Rhea Seehorn’s performances. She’s using her entire body without being over the top or blunt. Reminded me of Spencer Tracy at his best.
She was pretty alluring!
Sometimes my wife will say "I have to fix my hair" - my reply is often, "pony-tail it".
 

milk

Lifer
Sep 21, 2022
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I’d say Saul did at as much world building as BB. Things and people that were mentioned or alluded to in BB got a full development in Saul.

Both shows are great and very different kinds of shows. One is more action driven the other more character driven. One is a morality play, the other is a character study at its heart.

The quality of the acting was a step above in Saul, IMO. Watch the physical subtleties of Rhea Seehorn’s performances. She’s using her entire body without being over the top or blunt. Reminded me of Spencer Tracy at his best.
I think I have much different interests which is definitely Ok. I want to put forth some of my ideas but I'm not trying to tear anyone else's down: The term, and concept of, "world building" is newer than my generation (X). It's something that leads things astray in my personal sensibilities. I don't think I ever heard of it before 10 or 15 years ago (or maybe I wasn't a serious sci-fi reader - perhaps it comes from that genre). I hope there's room for my sensibilities but maybe I just have to enjoy classics or older shows that had different goals or tastes in mind. I don't want back-story or world-building. I can hardly think of a show or movie that has flashbacks, for example, that I really love (Mad Men has a few that add nothing to the story IMO). BCS is one giant flashback so, for me, it kind of started off with a strike against it. I prefer less to be explained to me. Sometimes BB starts at the end and then shows you the story from the beginning, but that's not "world-building." It's just dramatic license. It basically starts off in the middle of the action. We can figure out their psychology as we go. We watch Walt change and try to decide what he was to begin with. When they do include flashbacks, it detracts from the show. I don't need to know the back story of Jimmy McNulty to understand that character or, rather, to enjoy the character. The same goes for any characters on The Wire or Deadwood, two shows with no flashbacks (OK, The Wire had one in S1, an admitted mistake).
I think a show like Lost is probably a dividing line, being that it contains endless backstory/flashbacks, hatched in writer's rooms, that stall for time and puff up an arc. Less is more.
 

monty55

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I loved BCS. I only just got to see the last season on Netflix a few weeks ago. IMO it gets better and better as the seasons progress. Many of the same characters are in it as BB. I think you'll like it.
 
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renfield

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Totally cool. I definitely get that the shows have different appeals.

The fact that the shows bear and invite discussion and analysis says something about how good they were. I get a lot of enjoyment from seeing how other people saw the shows. It opens new perspectives and just adds to the appreciation of what Gilligan and the rest of the crew created.
 
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mawnansmiff

Lifer
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I'm still stumped by the lack of season 4. Some guy on Ebay is offering a mint set of seasons 1-4 for £19 so I've offered him £10 just for the last season, fingers crossed he will accept.

I did wonder if I should watch BB again (it's been about 4-5 years since I first saw it) just to refresh my memory of characters etc before I start BCS.

Regards,

Jay.
 
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monty55

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I did wonder if I should watch BB again (it's been about 4-5 years since I first saw it) just to refresh my memory of characters etc before I start BCS.
No reason needed to watch BB again. It's such a great series. I watch the whole series every few years, just because of the quality ... and I have it on DVD.