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This isn’t a vendor related issue. No one is forced to respond. Is the key to the gate here really heavy?
It’s not the shapes you aren’t even understanding the discussion here.
It says they're made in Italy in the description. I personally think it's part of a friendly-ish war between SP and P&C that's becoming less friendly.
Does anyone know if SP is selling Stanwells again? Is Stanwell now owned by the same brand that owns Erin Go Bragh?
Exact. An unsuspecting and uninformed person could easily just click buy thinking it’s a Peterson.
Not being a Peterson fan but having a few in my racks, I bet these "knock offs" are probably just as good as the originals.
Like Cosmic said, it's nearly impossible to lay claim to a design whether it be a pipe or jewelry. If you could sue for design, Sixten Ivarsson would have died a very, very, rich man. The same could be said about several other pioneering pipe makers.
What I want to know is why they decided to make an entire line to come after the Peterson line? In the Automotive Industry that would be like making knock offs of Kia's. Why bother? Couldn't they have set their sights a bit higher?
In either case, I don't think they will take much, if any business from Peterson.
Like Cosmic said, it's nearly impossible to lay claim to a design whether it be a pipe or jewelry. If you could sue for design, Sixten Ivarsson would have died a very, very, rich man. The same could be said about several other pioneering pipe makers.
What I want to know is why they decided to make an entire line to come after the Peterson line? In the Automotive Industry that would be like making knock offs of Kia's. Why bother? Couldn't they have set their sights a bit higher?
In either case, I don't think they will take much, if any business from Peterson.
I thought it was pretty ballsy for such a major E-tailer to be this tacky...
What if I made a car called the Henry F. Taurus. But it didn’t look exactly like a Ford Taurus?Not being a Peterson fan but having a few in my racks, I bet these "knock offs" are probably just as good as the originals.
Like Cosmic said, it's nearly impossible to lay claim to a design whether it be a pipe or jewelry. If you could sue for design, Sixten Ivarsson would have died a very, very, rich man. The same could be said about several other pioneering pipe makers.
What I want to know is why they decided to make an entire line to come after the Peterson line? In the Automotive Industry that would be like making knock offs of Kia's. Why bother? Couldn't they have set their sights a bit higher?
In either case, I don't think they will take much, if any business from Peterson.
See, by not making it EXACTLY like a Taurus, it would be called innovation not imitation.
I’d be willing to bet Ford may not see it that way.
Much ado about nuthin...
Erin Go Bragh decides to add a pipe line to their tobacco portfolio. They contract an Italian company to make the pipes... design of the pipes loosely follows similar designs made by another manufacturer.
PM’s pipe industry experts cry FOUL!
If there were a copyright/patent on any design, which is rare, it would have probably expired years ago, since said designs are decades old.
The lions share of factory pipes are made in Italy, due to a number of factors. Price, quality, facilities and the experienced labor force are probably among those.
The practice of pipe manufacturers turning out private label products is decades old, and allows the manufacturers to establish economies of scale.
I haven’t had an Italian factory pipe that I would consider poorly or substandard, either.
As for the pipes in question, I doubt I would mistake them for a Peterson, and at the price they are asking I would just opt for a Peterson, since I could get it for a few dollars less from SP anyway...
Erin Go Bragh decides to add a pipe line to their tobacco portfolio. They contract an Italian company to make the pipes... design of the pipes loosely follows similar designs made by another manufacturer.
PM’s pipe industry experts cry FOUL!
If there were a copyright/patent on any design, which is rare, it would have probably expired years ago, since said designs are decades old.
The lions share of factory pipes are made in Italy, due to a number of factors. Price, quality, facilities and the experienced labor force are probably among those.
The practice of pipe manufacturers turning out private label products is decades old, and allows the manufacturers to establish economies of scale.
I haven’t had an Italian factory pipe that I would consider poorly or substandard, either.
As for the pipes in question, I doubt I would mistake them for a Peterson, and at the price they are asking I would just opt for a Peterson, since I could get it for a few dollars less from SP anyway...
You have been on a car lot, right? They all look about the same to me. Since the 80's I can barely tell one car brand from another if it weren't for the logos.
As is any conversation about tobacco pipes, if you're inclined to think that way about it. But this is PipesMagazine.com's Pipe Talk forum, so here we are.
A new line of pipes has been released under a generic house-brand name (Erin Go Bragh doesn't exist as anything other than an STG label) and is using Peterson shapes, colorways, shape numbers, and line names.
Italian factories have been making "well pipe" system knockoffs for nearly the last 100 years, so it's nothing new, but it's still interesting to see this new line roll out this March, just a year or two behind their biggest competitor acquiring the Peterson brand.
If you don't think it's worth discussing, I'm sure there's a thread discussing dead celebrities, or fishing, or eating camels or something more interesting to you somewhere.
So what’s you’re point...?
I was discussing it.
If I don’t share your opinion, I should piss off...? Is that it?
I took "much ado about nothing" to mean discussing these pipes is making a big fuss over something insignificant.
There isn't much to discuss besides them being Italian made Pete clones made exclusively for P&C, and why they might want to push a product line that doesn't put money directly into the other big online pipe dealers pocket.
I don't see anyone with torches and pitchforks chanting "SUE THEM" or anything, just a few people postulating that there might would or could be some form of retaliation over it.
I decided to go have a look at these pipes. This particular model and accompanying description are something else.
"Erin Go Bragh Tirim pipes will seem very familiar to you at first glance, but these aren't anything like the cheap knockoffs with shank caps that would fall off and stems that would break. Tirim pipes are smooth briars that are finished in a warm walnut tone with a lustrous finish. The shank has a bright metal cap that is fully integrated so it's made to last. The stem has the recognizable fluted shape you would expect, but it's made with incredibly durable and brilliant ebony acrylic and uses the more comfortable fishtail bit. Finally, instead of using a reservoir to deliver a dry smoke, Erin Go Bragh Tirim pipes use a 9mm charcoal filter to reduce excess moisture and cool the smoke. Best of all, you'll save a lot with these pipes vs. similar briars."
"Erin Go Bragh Tirim pipes will seem very familiar to you at first glance, but these aren't anything like the cheap knockoffs with shank caps that would fall off and stems that would break. Tirim pipes are smooth briars that are finished in a warm walnut tone with a lustrous finish. The shank has a bright metal cap that is fully integrated so it's made to last. The stem has the recognizable fluted shape you would expect, but it's made with incredibly durable and brilliant ebony acrylic and uses the more comfortable fishtail bit. Finally, instead of using a reservoir to deliver a dry smoke, Erin Go Bragh Tirim pipes use a 9mm charcoal filter to reduce excess moisture and cool the smoke. Best of all, you'll save a lot with these pipes vs. similar briars."
Where is that quote from? Is it from the P&C website?
So it’s a Peterson lookalike with a Guinness harp as a logo? ? seems legit to me.
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