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Well, I mentioned the SmokersForums, he was member "Moose". He has been removed there, so I'm not sure how helpful that is now.
Mike: i can confirm that L. Francis, Moose on the SmokersForums and Kyle Black all have the identical mailing address in Houston TX. I you dont lose your pipe.
I was hoping Kyle would turn over a new leaf after returning my pipe. But, based on Mike's issue, it appears he is still a bum. I guess a tiger cannot change his stripes.
Mike:
I can also add that Kyle returned everyone of my phone calls, emails and PM's and quickly. He always came up with some plausible (but now wild sounding) excuse as to why the pipe had not arrived. On the phone, he was earnest, polite and concerned. Of course, about halfway thru the month long ordeal, I knew that he never had possession of the pipe that he send pictures to trade. So, that was interesting on how long he kept up the farce. The excuses were and communications from him were plentiful:
- The post office was closed, I'll mail it after Christmas
- I was busy, didn't get to it today.
- I shipped the pipe and will send tracking
- Did you get the pipe?
- I guess it was lost, I'll find the tracking number
- the USPS receipt is at my office
- No, its not at my office, it must be in my car
- I lost the USPS receipt, but shipped it insured with tracking
- The Post Office can't locate my tracking
- I'll send your pipe back tomorrow
- I didn't get a chance to mail your pipe, but will tomorrow
- I mailed your pipe, here is the tracking (that tracking number was never shipped)
- Because of a family emergency, I could not mail your pipe but will tomorrow
- Then, the last communication was a new tracking number, which indeed was shipped.
When I confronted him by phone, after I knew something had been mailed, he admitted to being Kyle Black but swore he had the GBD and lost it. He even went so far as to tell me he thinks someone had a similar GBD in Houston, that me might be able to get and trade. From the tone of his voice, I think he really believes all these fairy tales and lies, hence my comment that he might have some mental health issues. He really did seem earnest in all of our discussions, which were probably more than I posted above.
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I can also add that Kyle returned everyone of my phone calls, emails and PM's and quickly. He always came up with some plausible (but now wild sounding) excuse as to why the pipe had not arrived. On the phone, he was earnest, polite and concerned. Of course, about halfway thru the month long ordeal, I knew that he never had possession of the pipe that he send pictures to trade. So, that was interesting on how long he kept up the farce. The excuses were and communications from him were plentiful:
- The post office was closed, I'll mail it after Christmas
- I was busy, didn't get to it today.
- I shipped the pipe and will send tracking
- Did you get the pipe?
- I guess it was lost, I'll find the tracking number
- the USPS receipt is at my office
- No, its not at my office, it must be in my car
- I lost the USPS receipt, but shipped it insured with tracking
- The Post Office can't locate my tracking
- I'll send your pipe back tomorrow
- I didn't get a chance to mail your pipe, but will tomorrow
- I mailed your pipe, here is the tracking (that tracking number was never shipped)
- Because of a family emergency, I could not mail your pipe but will tomorrow
- Then, the last communication was a new tracking number, which indeed was shipped.
When I confronted him by phone, after I knew something had been mailed, he admitted to being Kyle Black but swore he had the GBD and lost it. He even went so far as to tell me he thinks someone had a similar GBD in Houston, that me might be able to get and trade. From the tone of his voice, I think he really believes all these fairy tales and lies, hence my comment that he might have some mental health issues. He really did seem earnest in all of our discussions, which were probably more than I posted above.
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These guys are out there. This is what they do for fun. I never sell anything of mine to someone I don't know or have never seen.
It's part of life. There are good people and then there are the screwballs. :crazy:
It's part of life. There are good people and then there are the screwballs. :crazy:
Thanks for the heads up and just remember that karma can be a real bitch.I hate hearing about people like this.All I can say is he has lost out on meeting and conversing with some great people.
My brother is a “pathological liar” and it’s a mental illness for sure. He can’t help himself, even if it’s about something that doesn’t matter, he will still lie. *sigh*
Craig
Craig
I've met some real pathological liars in my life as well. It just floors me that they will look you right in the face with the uttermost cincerity and utterly believable at the time but still lie their ass off. It must be a mental illness to a degree because my 2nd ex's whole family had some form of mental illness. I refer to her however as the "devils sister" because she was pure evil. Her first ex said she was phsyco but then he was a pathological liar too. I don't even think a moral upbringing would keep someone like that from doing it.
re "the other sites may well have been concerned about slander or libel issues" - there's a considerable difference between the UK and the US with libel and slander laws. This might be surprising to most Americans because our culture is so Anglocentric and Anglophilic. But do remember what the Bill of Rights, Constitution and First Amendment were about - throwing off the tyranny of the Crown. Another ferinstance: The US has a culture of separation of church and state, while the Anglican Church is the Church of England. And then they do have that nice royal family.
So although we share somewhat the same language, a general system of laws and property (though not primogeniture), fought alongside through the 2 World Wars, if you run a site or business in the UK, you do have to be a lot more careful re potentially libelous issues.
hp
les
So although we share somewhat the same language, a general system of laws and property (though not primogeniture), fought alongside through the 2 World Wars, if you run a site or business in the UK, you do have to be a lot more careful re potentially libelous issues.
hp
les
Agreed Mike. Folks may find my reaction to Kyle puzzling. I really wasn't angry at him, but curious as to what would make a pipeman would act in that manner. Exchanging replies here, kindled anger for Kyle on my part and that is not a state where I want to remain. Lets hope he sees the error of his ways and moves forward like a gentleman.
It's appears the time has come to close this thread, but since Harris was the OP, I'll ask him to consider that course of action.
It's appears the time has come to close this thread, but since Harris was the OP, I'll ask him to consider that course of action.
BB
Just because you can write it off doesn't make it any less of a problem. This "Kyle Black" has been banned from at least 2 forums that we know of, has attempted to rip off 2-3 people that we know of and now he is giving you the same run around that he has given Al.
I truly hope that it works out for you but I will not be holding my breath. Please keep us posted.
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