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When Russ of Hearth and Home was on here, he would always talk about experimenting with using natural flavors, and it was pretty much a unique topic. Most pipe tobaccos are flavored with artificial flavors, because when you burn a cherry, it doesn't smell or taste like a cherry, and the same for most things. Burn coffee, and it smells horrible. Burn chocolate, and it you wouldn't be able to tell if it was chocolate burning or cardboard. So, most will use or alter a flavor till it does smell similar to what the intended flavor is supposed to be.

As for casings, probably similar to toppings. I have a list of the tobaccos that are not cased, because I have spoken with the blenders and do not detect any, and a list of those which I can tolerate the casing. And, I have some that are cased and I am aging it till hopefully that casing will subside some. I have also thrown away a bunch.

It cracks me up that guys who will put down an aromatic, but then they will brag about scoring an Esoterica or GH blend. They seem to live in mixed signals.
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PipeIT

Lifer
Nov 14, 2020
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I’ve always been under the impression that C&D, G.L. Pease are all natural, and the same for higher end blends, like Solani, J.F. Germain & Son, and both Gawith as an example…

C&D also mentions on their site nautural ingredients. :)

 

tobakenist

Lifer
Jun 16, 2011
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I've been liking the Match Nighcap recently.
Night Cap was a English Blend made by Dunhill but made now in Scandinavia under the name of Peterson, still a great blend, not like it was 50yrs ago.
You may think that you are smoking "pure tobaccos", but chances are there are flavorings added. Have you ever bought whole leaf tobacco and smoked it straight? It's certainly not what most pipe smokers are accustomed to! I once bought samples of every Latakia that I could get my hands on. In a side by side comparison where we should have fairly subtle differences (based on where and when it was produced) there were some major deviations that could only be attributed to post-processing with flavorings. I was quite surprised. The best Latakia was the 1998 vintage whole leaf from Whole Leaf Tobacco, right out of the bale. The Latakia that I bought from Mark Ryan was also exceptional. The most questionable was Gawith Hoggarth. It didn't even look like Latakia. Russ O. opined that it may have been steamed, then flavored, but we really had no way to tell.

Both "natural" (meaning not synthetic, but derived from natural sources) and wholly man-made flavorings are widely used across the entire spectrum of pipe tobacco blends. Not all, mind you, but many blends have had some help from the bottle. I don't think that's a negative, at all. Unless those additives turn out to be unhealthful.
In England were I live it was illegal to put toppings in tobacco, this is why tobaccos are called English, Kendal blended, thy are honest about how they are blended, if they say that it is English blend, then it is, I have visited them many many times and they are open to show you how they blend, in the USA do you really smoke English blends, you seem to think that if it has Latakia it is English, you are wrong, English means no toppings.
 

mingc

Lifer
Jun 20, 2019
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Night Cap was a English Blend made by Dunhill but made now in Scandinavia under the name of Peterson, still a great blend, not like it was 50yrs ago.

In England were I live it was illegal to put toppings in tobacco, this is why tobaccos are called English, Kendal blended, thy are honest about how they are blended, if they say that it is English blend, then it is, I have visited them many many times and they are open to show you how they blend, in the USA do you really smoke English blends, you seem to think that if it has Latakia it is English, you are wrong, English means no toppings.
Only water and essential oils were allowed. Sugar, molasses, seaweed, moss, oak leaves, etc. were not. Pure Tobacco Act of 1842.

Essential oils are considered toppings in modern parlance.
 
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Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
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In England were I live it was illegal to put toppings in tobacco, this is why tobaccos are called English, Kendal blended, thy are honest about how they are blended, if they say that it is English blend, then it is, I have visited them many many times and they are open to show you how they blend, in the USA do you really smoke English blends, you seem to think that if it has Latakia it is English, you are wrong, English means no toppings.
Sounds like elitist BS. If you are smoking Latakia or any of Gawith's florals, then you most certainly are smoking flavored tobacco and sounds like you've never smoked unflavored blends. I regularly smoke unprocessed burley and Yenidje and they are sublime but flavored tobaccos are great as well.
 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
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Night Cap was a English Blend made by Dunhill but made now in Scandinavia under the name of Peterson, still a great blend, not like it was 50yrs ago.

In England were I live it was illegal to put toppings in tobacco, this is why tobaccos are called English, Kendal blended, thy are honest about how they are blended, if they say that it is English blend, then it is, I have visited them many many times and they are open to show you how they blend, in the USA do you really smoke English blends, you seem to think that if it has Latakia it is English, you are wrong, English means no toppings.
Yes, we are idiots over here.
 

BayouGhost

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90% of the licorice imported into the US Is used to case tobacco. I have read where it is done at a level that you can't really discern any taste from it but for some reason, it somewhat harmonizes the flavor. It is in all cigarettes. I am not sure about pipe tobacco, but I assume that it is. Maybe Jeremy or someone could answer that one. I would assume that most of the rest of the average casing ingredient is sugar water in some form whether cane sugar, molasses etc. and then with some blends the addition of PG as a moisture retainer and with some if not most burley blends adding cocoa powder to some degree and not being classified as aromatics. Again, I am going off what I have read on the interwebs.

As for toppings, I know some traditional old timey blends that I won't name out of respect, use artificial plum flavoring vs. real plums, but people rave about the stuff so in that case ignorance is bliss. Most of these flavorings are inert anyway. I have relatives that work in the food flavoring industry and even the "fake" flavorings are usually synthesized from real ingredients.

I would probably care much more about the pesticides that are banned in the US/Canada and the EU being doused onto tobacco in certain growing regions more than topping components in terms of health risk. Also, the fact that I am inhaling hot smoke into my face.......

I would probably like to put a list together of the least cased and un-topped blends as I generally like the "plain" flavor of natural tobacco. For me, currently, whether I am assuming incorrectly or not these are MacBaren Pure Virginia which apparently still has flavor in the casing, HH Burley Flake, GLP Union Square, KBV Van Gogh and other similar "plain" blends.

As for Latakia, it is a mystery to all of us whether they are burning oak, willow trees or used tractor tires, but ignorance is bliss I suppose.
 
90% of the licorice imported into the US Is used to case tobacco.
A bit of hyperbole... we eat a shit ton more licorice candy than we make tobacco. Kids still eat that candy up. In tourist places around Appalachia, they sell the shit in 1 and 5 lbs boxes, day in and day out. And, I've visited R. J. Rerynolds, and a college buddy's dad gave us a tour. He listed all of the flavors being added for each cigarette, licorice was not one mentioned for every cigarette.

It is a popular flavoring for tobacco. I'll give you that, but it is not in everything. Obviously someone without a keen sense of taste came up with this.
 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
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A bit of hyperbole... we eat a shit ton more licorice candy than we make tobacco. Kids still eat that candy up. In tourist places around Appalachia, they sell the shit in 1 and 5 lbs boxes, day in and day out. And, I've visited R. J. Rerynolds, and a college buddy's dad gave us a tour. He listed all of the flavors being added for each cigarette, licorice was not one mentioned for every cigarette.

It is a popular flavoring for tobacco. I'll give you that, but it is not in everything. Obviously someone without a keen sense of taste came up with this.
Actually, licorice root is no longer used in “licorice” candy, due to adverse health impacts. The extracts used in tobacco are primarily sweeteners, and do not have a “licorice” flavor.
 
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makhorkasmoker

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Actually, licorice root is no longer used in “licorice” candy, due to adverse health impacts. The extracts used in tobacco are primarily sweeteners, and do not have a “licorice” flavor.
I’m looking at a packet of black licorice here in Spain, where I’m visiting family, and the ingredients label reads “licorice extract “—or extrato de regaliz. Must be a U.S.A. Thing
 
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BayouGhost

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A bit of hyperbole... we eat a shit ton more licorice candy than we make tobacco. Kids still eat that candy up. In tourist places around Appalachia, they sell the shit in 1 and 5 lbs boxes, day in and day out. And, I've visited R. J. Rerynolds, and a college buddy's dad gave us a tour. He listed all of the flavors being added for each cigarette, licorice was not one mentioned for every cigarette.

It is a popular flavoring for tobacco. I'll give you that, but it is not in everything. Obviously someone without a keen sense of taste came up with this.
I should have specified that is not used as a flavoring, but as a sweetener. Apparently, it has some sort of sweetening and casing effect. Hopefully I have my facts right now counselor! I jest, but really don't care too much as I was relaying info that I read in various articles. I had plenty of the aforementioned candies as a kid visiting family in NC. Another popular candy up there is "Horehound" and has a similar note and of course root beer barrels also proliferated the shelves at the hardware stores.