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kola

Lifer
Apr 1, 2014
1,548
2,401
Colorado Rockies, Cripple Creek region
I miss the days of going to any drugstore and buying a tin of Revelation or a pouch of Half & Half as needed. It was like: Hmm, getting a lil' low on baccy' - better grab some.

There were no worries about availability, a blend going extinct and never a thought of "cellaring." "Aged tobacco" wasn't in my vocab either.
 
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jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,280
30,316
Carmel Valley, CA
I'm interested in blends I know I like, and stocking up on them. That said, I just opened a tote that has tobaccos I collected at a pipe show 3-4 years ago.

Among them was a sample of Lane's 1-Q, which felt as damp as the money dew. Smoking some now, my first. It's not bad.
 

tokerpipes

Lifer
Jan 16, 2012
2,042
691
46
Eatonville, WA
I'm interested in blends I know I like, and stocking up on them. That said, I just opened a tote that has tobaccos I collected at a pipe show 3-4 years ago.

Among them was a sample of Lane's 1-Q, which felt as damp as the money dew. Smoking some now, my first. It's not bad.
Oh that’s a staple of pipe smoking. Surprised you haven’t had it before.
 

artvandelay007

Can't Leave
Apr 11, 2018
314
293
Wichita, KS
Yeah I cellar. Current focus is SG, G&H & HU. I have no idea how much I have. Would take forever to tally it up. I have a good amount but not enough to last until I die.

Seems like us in the US have to fear an online sales ban. I hear that when smokeless tobacco online sale ban happened it was fast and without warning.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
16,670
31,247
46
In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
I miss the days of going to any drugstore and buying a tin of Revelation or a pouch of Half & Half as needed. It was like: Hmm, getting a lil' low on baccy' - better grab some.

There were no worries about availability, a blend going extinct and never a thought of "cellaring." "Aged tobacco" wasn't in my vocab either.
I take it your favorite part of smoking a pipe is the smoking a pipe part of it.
 

lawdawg

Lifer
Aug 25, 2016
1,792
3,805
While my cellar is growing (because I buy more than I smoke) I am not actively building a cellar. Some of the reasons

  1. I think even if internet sales are stopped, tobacco will continue to be available in B&Ms for quite some time
  2. While tobacco may be cheaper today, the money I put in tobacco at a minimum if invested will give 9% return. By the power of compounding the money will also grow
  3. Money put in discretionary goods like tobacco is sunk. If kept invested, it can be used during a rainy day. It’s the grasshopper who saves tobacco. It’s the ant who invests the money in return producing assets
  4. Everything said and done - I have calculated that I need about $15,000 worth of tobacco. If I spend 15K on tobacco people will question my sanity at a bare minimum
  5. I need about 1000 ball jars to store them. While I do have a small cellar, I don’t want my house to look like a tobacco warehouse

Popular blends that are no longer produced, like Christmas Cheer and the Frog Morton series, have appreciated at a much better rate than the 7% traditionally attributed to the stock market. Tobacco does have the potential to be an actual investment. There are now whiskey investment companies that buy and hold actual bottles and barrels of spirits on the same premise.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
16,670
31,247
46
In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
Popular blends that are no longer produced, like Christmas Cheer and the Frog Morton series, have appreciated at a much better rate than the 7% traditionally attributed to the stock market. Tobacco does have the potential to be an actual investment. There are now whiskey investment companies that buy and hold actual bottles and barrels of spirits on the same premise.
the hardest part about pipe tobacco investment is you'll have to wait a day or two to shift your stock of hundreds of tins. Well unless the oxygen levels in the atmosphere drop and only rich people can afford to burn oxygen to start fires. Heck even if the stuff gets outlawed that's even better for the bottom line.
 
In my book investing in tobacco or alcohol is more of a speculation and less of an investment. I see the point of building a small cellar with some of your favorite blends. Mine is growing organically at a snails pace, just because I buy a little more than I can smoke.However I do not see the need for me to buy a lifetime worth of cellar.
It is good to agree to disagree at this point. If you are right I will go raid your cellar in the future
puffy:sher:
puffy
Popular blends that are no longer produced, like Christmas Cheer and the Frog Morton series, have appreciated at a much better rate than the 7% traditionally attributed to the stock market. Tobacco does have the potential to be an actual investment. There are now whiskey investment companies that buy and hold actual bottles and barrels of spirits on the same premise.
 
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ram74

Starting to Get Obsessed
Feb 7, 2013
242
355
I've stocked up for 2 reasons:
  1. It's just gonna cost more tomorrow(That is a FACT)
  2. As I am ready to retire in a little more than a year from now, if prices are REAL stupid, I'll have enough to last me till my demise...puffy
Agreed! It makes no sense not to cellar if you plan on continuing to smoke every day. Tobacco will never be cheaper or more available. I cellar deeply cigars, pipe tobacco and liquor and cellaring has brought me tremendous joy over the years. There is nothing sweeter than smoking an aged cigar or tin with family and friends. Good times.
 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
20,248
57,309
66
Sarasota Florida
I built my cellar for a number of reasons.
  1. I wanted to guarantee my favorites would be available to me when blends were discontinued. This has happened 3 times since 2012 and I was prepared.
  2. I really enjoy the flavors of aged tobacco.
  3. The prices I paid back when I began cellaring were cheaper than today's prices. Some prices are 20-40 percent more today.
  4. I believe that one day all online sales of pipe tobacco will be banned.
  5. If I had to use a brick and mortar, I would have been screwed price wise as in my state (Florida) there is an 85% tax on the wholesale price of tobacco.
 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,210
60,611
When I consider how long I hold a particular tin of tobacco before opening it, and look at the various stacks of tins and a few tubs, I can't get excited about a shortage, if I can just stay in place and not get prohibited by health or residence. My stash is proportionate to my use.
 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,280
30,316
Carmel Valley, CA
Not worried, and it's no bother to stock up. I tend to add to my stash via large sales, often from members here. It's unlikely that tobacco prices will fall, though not an impossibility. And I like to have a lot of stuff on hand. And a bit of age on the blends.
 

ram74

Starting to Get Obsessed
Feb 7, 2013
242
355
I built my cellar for a number of reasons.
  1. I wanted to guarantee my favorites would be available to me when blends were discontinued. This has happened 3 times since 2012 and I was prepared.
  2. I really enjoy the flavors of aged tobacco.
  3. The prices I paid back when I began cellaring were cheaper than today's prices. Some prices are 20-40 percent more today.
  4. I believe that one day all online sales of pipe tobacco will be banned.
  5. If I had to use a brick and mortar, I would have been screwed price wise as in my state (Florida) there is an 85% tax on the wholesale price of tobacco.
Fantastic post, concise and accurate! I also live in Florida(Miami) and cellar for the same reasons.
 

augiebd

Lifer
Jul 6, 2019
1,321
2,607
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Same here. Online sales - I've spent over $200 in duty payments over the last month, but I've still saved money compared to B&M buying. Then again, I only buy what they don't stock. I seem to get dinged by customs on every third order - or whenever I buy over 100g (still trying to figure that out).
I haven’t been charged customs for online orders yet and usually my orders are just under 200g. I know there is no exemption for online sales so I have just been lucky. I don’t order online very often or regularly and the bulk of the value of the order is usually pipes and accessories, not tobacco. I’ve never ordered just tobacco.
 
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