Are Increasing Numbers of Pipe Smokers Good or Bad?
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If there is a trend in growth among those fresh out of high school, it would be good business sense to focus advertising on that age group. I see plenty of people in that age group on this forum and would expect to see many more. Computers were already highly developed during their entire lives, internet sites such as this seems like the best place to promote a growth in the pipe tobacco community.
More is always better. Better selection, variety, and general availability.
According to Scandinavian Tobacco Group filings (the largest and only public company that reports pipe tobacco sales)....
in DKK (Danish Krone)..
2015 629 DKK
2016 569 DKK
2017 575 DKK
2018 572 DKK
Sales are down and expected to be flat in the immediate future
According to Scandinavian Tobacco Group filings (the largest and only public company that reports pipe tobacco sales)....
in DKK (Danish Krone)..
2015 629 DKK
2016 569 DKK
2017 575 DKK
2018 572 DKK
Sales are down and expected to be flat in the immediate future
+ 1 for Mr. Nevadablue for his staement,
Alan73: I have suspect if this Scandinavian Tobacco Groupe decreasing sales has something to do with this nonsense Vaping mode
which seem been pretty popular among younger folks ,only why they don't want look into the pipesmoking but most inevitably are choosing Vaping.
Alan73: I have suspect if this Scandinavian Tobacco Groupe decreasing sales has something to do with this nonsense Vaping mode
which seem been pretty popular among younger folks ,only why they don't want look into the pipesmoking but most inevitably are choosing Vaping.
Reading through all the posted comments makes me scratch my head, and wonder how the statistics were generated. Common, everyday, observations lead me to this conclusion....the statistics are wrong. I believe there is little or no evidence to support the assertion that pipe-smoking is on the increase, for whatever reasons. Numbers can always be "cooked". I haven't seen a gent smoking a pipe, in public, for decades, probably over 50 years, a sight that was very common in my youth. I had one uncle who smoked a pipe, and he's been dead for 20 years. If pipe-smoking is on the increase, where are all these new pipe-smokers, tobacconists, and pipe shops? I have plenty of friends that gave up smoking cigarettes. Not one took up pipe-smoking as a substitute.
Maybe "pipe"-smoking IS on the increase if they have included, bongs, hash-pipes, chillums, vaping paraphranalia and all the other various, sleazy accoutrements of the stoner culture.
Maybe "pipe"-smoking IS on the increase if they have included, bongs, hash-pipes, chillums, vaping paraphranalia and all the other various, sleazy accoutrements of the stoner culture.
You know, with this logic, submarines don't exist, or Canadians, or forrest fires, or even you. I've never seen you. Come on down to Alabama, and pay attention. I see pipes being smoked in traffic in the mornings, out front of the firestation, as people walk by in my small town. I can even find someone to set next to and smoke while my wife is inside the mall. I run into pipe smokers everywhere. And, I have no issue with smoking my pipe everywhere I go. Just because you've never seen anyone... Maybe pipesmoking is more of a Southern Thing now. Do ya'll agree? :
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I got a brand new tobacconist in my neighborhood. Been at least ten years since the last on closed up. There are always new pipe smokers, some only try it, some may become life long smokers. Also, pipe smokers are being buried with a certain degree of regularity. So, are the numbers increasing, decreasing or maintaining. I've seen no trust worthy numbers to support any of the three. Doesn't mean they aren't out there.
The best numbers would be from big, blenders with regard to annual sales of drug store blends.
The best numbers would be from big, blenders with regard to annual sales of drug store blends.
@Alan73 where did you get that data? Especially for 2018? 8O
According to these financials, STG's revenue has been on the increase since 2012 http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/aktier/microsite?Instrument=CSE118442
Revenue(millions DKK) 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016
5,978.00 5,925.30 6,126.00 6,732.30 6,745.60
@sumusfumus Unfortunately most indoor public spaces are non-smoking now. Besides, when out and about, I find that's easier to smoke a cigar than a pipe.
According to these financials, STG's revenue has been on the increase since 2012 http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/aktier/microsite?Instrument=CSE118442
Revenue(millions DKK) 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016
5,978.00 5,925.30 6,126.00 6,732.30 6,745.60
@sumusfumus Unfortunately most indoor public spaces are non-smoking now. Besides, when out and about, I find that's easier to smoke a cigar than a pipe.
Profits and revenues are pretty meaningless with regard to specific products. I'd love to see unit sales of Carter Hall and the like over the last ten years.
pipeman84: those numbers you provide are all of the business lines including RYO and cigars. My numbers are from the annual reports (where they break down sales by division) and current guidance from management on what the rest of 2017 and 2018 will be
Sumusfumus: Reading through all the posted comments makes me scratch my head, and wonder how the statistics were generated.
Vokaa provided the source for his Graph with this link https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUH-FFR1-2015/NSDUH-FFR1-2015/NSDUH-FFR1-2015.htm
Here is a small except from their test design:
NSDUH is a face-to-face household interview survey that is conducted in two phases: the screening phase and the interview phase. The interviewer conducts a screening of the eligible household with an adult resident (aged 18 or older) in order to determine whether zero, one, or two residents aged 12 or older should be selected for the interview.7 NSDUH collects data using audio computer-assisted self interviewing (ACASI) in which respondents read or listen to the questions on headphones, then enter their answers directly into a NSDUH laptop computer. ACASI is designed for accurate reporting of information by providing respondents with a highly private and confidential mode for responding to questions about illicit drug use, mental health, and other sensitive behaviors. NSDUH also uses computer-assisted personal interviewing (CAPI) in which interviewers read less sensitive questions to respondents and enter the respondents' answers into a NSDUH laptop computer.
In 2015, screening was completed at 132,210 addresses, and 68,073 completed interviews were obtained, including 16,955 interviews from adolescents aged 12 to 17 and 51,118 interviews from adults aged 18 or older. Weighted response rates for household screening and for interviewing were 79.7 and 69.3 percent, respectively, for an overall response rate of 55.2 percent for people aged 12 or older.
Vokaa provided the source for his Graph with this link https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUH-FFR1-2015/NSDUH-FFR1-2015/NSDUH-FFR1-2015.htm
Here is a small except from their test design:
NSDUH is a face-to-face household interview survey that is conducted in two phases: the screening phase and the interview phase. The interviewer conducts a screening of the eligible household with an adult resident (aged 18 or older) in order to determine whether zero, one, or two residents aged 12 or older should be selected for the interview.7 NSDUH collects data using audio computer-assisted self interviewing (ACASI) in which respondents read or listen to the questions on headphones, then enter their answers directly into a NSDUH laptop computer. ACASI is designed for accurate reporting of information by providing respondents with a highly private and confidential mode for responding to questions about illicit drug use, mental health, and other sensitive behaviors. NSDUH also uses computer-assisted personal interviewing (CAPI) in which interviewers read less sensitive questions to respondents and enter the respondents' answers into a NSDUH laptop computer.
In 2015, screening was completed at 132,210 addresses, and 68,073 completed interviews were obtained, including 16,955 interviews from adolescents aged 12 to 17 and 51,118 interviews from adults aged 18 or older. Weighted response rates for household screening and for interviewing were 79.7 and 69.3 percent, respectively, for an overall response rate of 55.2 percent for people aged 12 or older.
STG= Lane Limited, Peter Stokkebye, Borkum Riff, Captain Black, WO Larsen and Erinmore...most well known brands that they sell
Alright I can't post the source material due to copyright restrictions from JP Morgan. In 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018 Volume decreased by 3-4% per year, with overall revenue largely offset by pricing increases of similar amount. 2013 total volumes was up almost 2% (probably peck and harris).
My conclusion is that volumes speak volumes :rofl:
Tobacco sales have been in decline for some time, me hopes that more people quit cigs and join the pipe revolution.
Alright I can't post the source material due to copyright restrictions from JP Morgan. In 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018 Volume decreased by 3-4% per year, with overall revenue largely offset by pricing increases of similar amount. 2013 total volumes was up almost 2% (probably peck and harris).
My conclusion is that volumes speak volumes :rofl:
Tobacco sales have been in decline for some time, me hopes that more people quit cigs and join the pipe revolution.
3-4% decline in sales per year seems to dispel any suggestion of an increase in smokers. Thanks for sharing what you could.
Ok, that's decline in STG's volumes. One observation though: the great majority of STG's pipe tobacco is aromatic...from my own experience and what I've read, people usually start with aromatics and then move on to non-aromatics. If I look at my pipe tobacco expenses for the past year (started in November 2016), most of my $$ went to kohlhase&kopp, producers of Dunhill, Rattray's, Samuel Gawith, Robert Mcconnell and others.
Those who gave up smoking cigarettes presumably wouldn't mind looking into pipesmoking because this is very time consuming And definitely not a hussle free way of using tobacco products, especially If you are young,virile and full of energy.
The 18-25 demographic is probably not the best indicator of an increased pipe smoking. Traditionally only a small percentage of them will stay with it. Image more than enjoyment drives their choices.
I was thinking something similar Gloucesterman. They also do not have a lot of money to spend on cellaring. Even so, the graph does show that a greater number of young adults are trying out pipe smoking. The reason for that is mysterious. Alan73 showed evidence that the volume of tobacco sold is less for one large producer, but this could also be related to the general economy. I do not follow economics, nor know how other luxury goods are fairing nowadays. Pipes may becoming popular due to their image (healthier/cleaner image than cigarettes), but they are filled with an enjoyable nicotine laden leaf. Which is not something many like to part with. Seeing this graph in another ten years will better show if the increased rate transfers to the next age group, and hopefully, pipe tobacco prosperity.
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