34,208 now. Guitarguy, I'm very far from an angry person as well, I'm not vindictive and generally don't wish anyone harm but if it was my sister I would plaster their pictures all over the town then buy a balaclava and beat the piss out of both of them with a pool cue! I don't care if they're minors, they have minds of their own and should be held accountable for their decisions, we always have a choice and our screw ups are always our own fault. In North America we are far to easy on criminals.