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lawdawg

Lifer
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My damn lawyer spent most of his time with me trying to convince me that he said not to do that thing he had just told me to do the day before. Fired him. He turned out to be the type of lawyer that I need to have a lawyer present with me to talk to him, ha ha.
Well that's unfortunate. As you concluded, that's one way to know you need a new lawyer. Hope your second one worked out better!
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Southern Oregon
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It would take too much explaining to a customer who questions the province or at least the age.
I think that the vast majority of people either understand that a statement like " we look for and use Burls of about 60 years of age" would be a generalized guideline, or not much care, and not expect the company to provide a certified birth certificate for the burl from which the pipe was fashioned. Granted, there are people with severe cognitive conditions who would find such an expectation not only reasonable, but necessary.
 

sasquatch

Lifer
Jul 16, 2012
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I think that the vast majority of people either understand that a statement like " we look for and use Burls of about 60 years of age" would be a generalized guideline, or not much care, and not expect the company to provide a certified birth certificate for the burl from which the pipe was fashioned. Granted, there are people with severe cognitive conditions who would find such an expectation not only reasonable, but necessary.
Cognitive conditions notwithstanding, it was put to me thus by one cutter: Naturally we harvest burls at least 30 years old simply because before this, they are too small. Between 30 and 50 years is perfect.

In talking to these guys about growth conditions, harvest conditions, ideas like "dead root" etc you get filled in very fast. Jaume at one point many years ago told me "Oh we find dead trees yes, but they are always full of insects, cracked.... no good. If I ask my harvesters for dead root, they will laugh in my face."

The industry is what it is, just like logging - you get a great tree, you cut it with care to maximize your profit. There's no moonlight dancing, no spells to cast.

Watch a briar cutter grade a block in a 1 second glance. You don't put it under your pillow, you throw it in the bin with the others.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
Granted, there are people with severe cognitive conditions who would find such an expectation not only reasonable, but necessary.
And I am sure they occasionally show up here. One thing I can state with certainty is that anyone who has worked with the general public will not be shocked by the idiocy of the random individual. Because man you get some crazy people with crazy demands and weird sense of entitlement.
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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And I am sure they occasionally show up here. One thing I can state with certainty is that anyone who has worked with the general public will not be shocked by the idiocy of the random individual. Because man you get some crazy people with crazy demands and weird sense of entitlement.
Spent more than a decade in the fine jewelry retail business. Truer words were never spoke. It was also a great school of human nature.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
16,955
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In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
Spent more than a decade in the fine jewelry retail business. Truer words were never spoke. It was also a great school of human nature.
Oh Gosh I've had customers who you couldn't explain the most basic things to. Like this one lady who just couldn't understand labor costs. She asked me if the cut and packaged fruit was from the same source as the whole fruit. Yes it was. She was so angry that it costs more. Or another favorite a customer asks if you can do something and you say yes but it's not going to go well. (like a dish with no sauce or seasoning is going to be bland) Then they complain that's just like you said it would be and it's your fault not theirs. Seriously I wonder how some people survive, because they really do seem too stupid to live.
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
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Oh Gosh I've had customers who you couldn't explain the most basic things to. Like this one lady who just couldn't understand labor costs. She asked me if the cut and packaged fruit was from the same source as the whole fruit. Yes it was. She was so angry that it costs more. Or another favorite a customer asks if you can do something and you say yes but it's not going to go well. (like a dish with no sauce or seasoning is going to be bland) Then they complain that's just like you said it would be and it's your fault not theirs. Seriously I wonder how some people survive, because they really do seem too stupid to live.
Idiocracy isn't just a movie, it's a documentary.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Humansville Missouri
Looks like a kid working at McDonald's could touch several. I can't find any listings above $100.

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A kid working at McDonalds doesn’t want a Lee Star Grade pipe, because he doesn’t know about them.

What was a Lee?

Lee competed dollar for dollar and grade for grade against Kaywoodie, beginning in 1946.

Gallons of ink and at least one Bitcoin worth of bytes have been devoted to the cult of the Kaywoodie.

I own Kaywoodie pipes ranging from four digit pre 1936 large ball four hole stinger Super Grains to the most miserable Kaywoodie Magnum smoked by a disco era man who surely deserved better than the epoxy finished tongue burner he bought to smoke Argosy and Mixture 79 to impress the disco girls.

There are no bad Lee pipes. Like E A Carey they may have all been sold mail order, I don’t know.

But when you see a Lee star grade pipe for sale, if it’s two stars it cost what a Kaywoodie Super Grain did, and if three stars it sold for what a Flame Grain did, and then a buyer could, but few did, order a four star or five star Lee.


In 1946 a four star Lee was $15 and a five star $25. The customer picked from a variety of standard shapes in small, medium and large sizes, and then only according to briar quality and nothing else, paid $5, $10, $15, or $25. Supposedly there was a $3.50 one star (same as Drinkless) in the 1946 catalogs but none after that.

Compare any Lee with any post war Kaywoodie grade for grade and a Lee is way better.

Lee pipes do not need break in. Period.

Lee pipes all have perfect construction.

All Lee pipes say “A Limited Edition”.

I think Lee was a talented former Kaywoodie employee who struck out on his own. Lee pipes are standard shapes, but the stem is an improved Kaywoodie Syncro Stem, the stinger is an ingenious removable one size fits all Kaywoodie type with no holes and no ball.

I think the Limited Edition part was, that Lee machined a little different stinger for every year or run of pipes. But one stinger fits all Lee, Briarlee, and Pipe Maker pipes.

You can find fills on post war Kaywoodies.

I own dozens and dozens of Lee pipes and no three star grade Lee will have any fills, not the last one, whenever there was a last one.

Late two stars can have tiny fills, early ones will not.

Lee’s are Kaywoodies for pretentious poor boys that used to pen cattle, build fence, haul hay, and scoop cow manure from sale barns and are still bargain hunters.:)
 
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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51,298
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
A kid working at McDonalds doesn’t want a Lee Star Grade pipe, because he doesn’t know about them.

What was a Lee?

Lee competed dollar for dollar and grade for grade against Kaywoodie, beginning in 1946.

Gallons of ink and at least one Bitcoin worth of bytes have been devoted to the cult of the Kaywoodie.

I own Kaywoodie pipes ranging from four digit pre 1936 large ball four hole stinger Super Grains to the most miserable Kaywoodie Magnum smoked by a disco era man who surely deserved better than the epoxy finished tongue burner he bought to smoke Argosy and Mixture 79 to impress the disco girls.

There are no bad Lee pipes. Like E A Carey they may have all been sold mail order, I don’t know.

But when you see a Lee star grade pipe for sale, if it’s two stars it cost what a Kaywoodie Super Grain did, and if three stars it sold for what a Flame Grain did, and then a buyer could, but few did, order a four star or five star Lee.


In 1946 a four star Lee was $15 and a five star $25. The customer picked from a variety of standard shapes in small, medium and large sizes, and then only according to briar quality and nothing else, paid $5, $10, $15, or $25. Supposedly there was a $3.50 one star (same as Drinkless) in the 1946 catalogs but none after that.

Compare any Lee with any post war Kaywoodie grade for grade and a Lee is way better.

Lee pipes do not need break in. Period.

Lee pipes all have perfect construction.

All Lee pipes say “A Limited Edition”.

I think Lee was a talented former Kaywoodie employee who struck out on his own. Lee pipes are standard shapes, but the stem is an improved Kaywoodie Syncro Stem, the stinger is an ingenious removable one size fits all Kaywoodie type with no holes and no ball.

I think the Limited Edition part was, that Lee machined a little different stinger for every year or run of pipes. But one stinger fits all Lee, Briarlee, and Pipe Maker pipes.

You can find fills on post war Kaywoodies.

I own dozens and dozens of Lee pipes and no three star grade Lee will have any fills, not the last one, whenever there was a last one.

Late two stars can have tiny fills, early ones will not.

Lee’s are Kaywoodies for pretentious poor boys that used to pen cattle, build fence, haul hay, and scoop cow manure from sale barns and are still bargain hunters.:)
I'm kinda getting the impression that you kind like Lee pipes. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.
 
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