Maybe they think if they just shut everything down, those purchases will just move over to the rest of the STG portfolio?
A Look at STG Internal Documents Regarding the Mac Baren / Sutliff Buyout
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If I learn that company X uses child labor to make product Y that I like, I will stop buying it. If something goes against my moral principles, I won't support it.
It's okay that people don't want to support STG if they don't like how STG go about their business. You can always love something else.
Okay, that was a real bird walk - selling off Sutliff or reorganizing a corporation is not akin or even in the same universe of what we are discussing. However, if you happened to have written any of that statement using a computer or phone, chances are, you just violated your own moral code. Get real. You are seriously going to state that you are in no way using devices or goods that do not use child labor let alone dependent on slave labor for rare earth elements? This type of non sequitur logic just frustrates discussions on forums by avoiding the real issue we are discussing. STG is no different than any or most publicly traded companies. We don't have to like what they are doing, individuals can certainly choose to not buy STG products - but if someone is going to smoke, then my advice is smoke a blend you love - and child-labor is not something anyone is accusing STG of engaging in. Let alone slave labor for mining rare earth elements so posters can have devices to post non sequitur statements on tobacco forums.
I don't care what you do. I don't want to support this company and will choose to spend my hard-earned monies elsewhere. It really is quite simple. If I was in a position like you and thoroughly enjoyed some of their blends I might be less obliged to boycott the brand. I am not as fond of their offerings as you are. I will have plenty to smoke with C&D, G&H, D&R, K&K.
That makes sense. Boycotting is only a boycotting if it means denying a service or good you actually want but are choosing to go without to make a point. If cares little for the brand already, and chooses not to purchase from them, it is really a preference, not a boycott.
Ok, point taken about slave labor on rare elements.
Still, I don't understand why you are trying to convince people to buy STG products when they feel it isn't the right thing to do.
Interesting to think that by getting rid of Sutliff and scrapping the equipment; wouldn't that be a tax write off?
Don't want to lose sight of how this started, at least according to the "source" from the video (5:30-6:00). Mac Baren suffered a loss, panicked, and then offered the business for sale to STG. They probably had an idea what would likely happen to the company once sold off too. They got their money and got out to invest somewhere else, retire etc. and moved on. Once STG really figured out what they had on their hands they made some business decisions. I don't like how it all went down either, but it is what it is. Who knows what might crop up next, could result in something interesting or even good.
Honestly, the main tobacco that comes to mind as something that I enjoy from time to time and repeatedly purchase is Orlik Golden Sliced, otherwise known by some on here as Orlik Golden Showers.
Apathy, probably. I mean he’s right, ultimately it won’t change much and is probably more of a preference to buy something else and I get it. I absolutely loath Amazon for many reasons I wont get into here and I’ve since deleted my entire account way back in 2018. And guess what? Didn’t change anything. Additionally I’m still forced to use AWS because a huge number of websites are hosted by AWS. But it’s my choice to not shop there as is your choice to not shop STG. Just recognize that on our own, not much will change.
On a different note I decided to put one last order in for the year for about 4lbs of Sutliff bulk I like.
The internet is a poor place for nuance. I don't give too hoots about what tobaccos people buy or from whom. Personally, rarely bought from STG in the past and then, only to supply my dad his favorite blend. I would never try to convince people to buy from any company as I have no allegiance to companies in general. The point I was and am making is that when one says they will boycott a company, the word implies going without something you want or desire to make a political or financial point to the company. Tobacco is one of those rare commodities that to boycott a blend you really enjoy to make a point is rather silly if it means smoking a blend you prefer less. My point, one I apparently made poorly, is that engaging in such an activity in this case will be meaningless because first, few will be joining in, and second, choosing to smoke a less likable blend of tobacco seems ridiculous when it comes to making a point about selling off assets purchased by a competitor.
Now all things being equal, if blend A satisfies no less than blend B and blend B is not made by STG - sure, knock yourself out. But in that case, there is very little skin in the game for the decision. Where is the self-sacrifice that generally comes with and is associated with the word Boycott.
Tobacco runs the very risk of cancer - not just for the smoker, but possibly the non smoker. My mother-in-law died of cancer directly attributed to second hand smoking. If someone is engaging in this activity, at least smoke the most enjoyable tobacco you can.
But to be clear, I don't care nor should I care nor should anyone else care where someone buys their pipe tobacco or from whom. It's bad enough I have to use a device made from parts gathered by slaves...
This reminds me of something that happened about 13-14 years ago. A big box store corporation got involved in buying an election in a small town so that they could get clearance to put one of their stores in place.
I did a lot of business at their stores but this pissed me off no end and I decided to boycott them. Instead of going to one place to buy things my parents needed I went to 6 to 10 places almost every weekend.
Turns out a lot of people felt the same way and also boycotted them. They lost a billion dollars in sales that year, as was reported in several financial news reports.
This seems to have been understood by other companies as a disincentive to pull the same bullshit.
Sometimes boycotts work.
This whole thing blows. I didn't get nearly enough McClelland when they went under and I am not in a position to cellar anything deeply now with this STG dumpster fire. I shall have to struggle to persevere with what I have, which is still a lot. My wife says I have so much tobacco. So much. I think I could use more. But who is right?
Probably her.
Probably her.
Negative PR will absolutely affect their bottom line. Also, why would a corporation not care about you choosing to spend your money with their competitors? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying as text lacks nuance.
Exactly. Still in the discovery phase myself, I get to pick and choose which blends to try (or not), and possibly fall in love with.
Back when I was more into Cigars, after I made a few cigar purchases from what I thought was several different online vendors I happen to notice my credit card statement. MOST of these sales were listed as 'CIGARS ETC'. Upon further review... STG. This is a LOT bigger than PT. It seems apparent to me that this is quickly becoming 'STG vs EVERYBODY ELSE'.
First choice is local providers. I'm not talking about boycotting anything, but competition is a good thing for the consumer. I get to pick which blends to sample and MAYBE fall in love with . Therefore, as a new PT smoker, I will pick the local choices and support them where I can. (You get to decide what local means to you.)
Why limit my choices? Ah, I don't know, because the longer the others stay afloat, the longer I have those choices available to me. I wish to assist in keeping the choices that remain.
Point is, I DO have choices and I will support them.
STG is primarily a manufacturer and distributor of cigars. Pipe tobacco is secondary to them.
Always. Support the ones you love. Affairs are purely hedonistic.
This entire thread makes me think if C&D could just invest in an industrial press, flake cutter, and flat tins they could rule the world!
I suppose if we had any gumption about being truly moral, we would effectively do something about our promotion of what amounts to creating conditions of human slavery around the world through our choice of owning and using technology devices that utilize economics that propagate such conditions. Nope…Crickets…. But when it comes to tobacco, it’s all “hold my beer!”
Of course I write this with a bit of satirical humor, but sadly, there is just too much truth in it. All the weekend justice warriors need a way to organize against perceived injustices, so…. They can’t be bothered about this issue. Life’s just a bit more complicated then can be summed up with an easy answer. Either that, are the h in human stands for hypocrites.
Of course I write this with a bit of satirical humor, but sadly, there is just too much truth in it. All the weekend justice warriors need a way to organize against perceived injustices, so…. They can’t be bothered about this issue. Life’s just a bit more complicated then can be summed up with an easy answer. Either that, are the h in human stands for hypocrites.