No, they are produced at different times from each other, and both have the tiniest amount of perique. It's not a run the machine for a bit thing. They set the cutting of the flakes to different sizes, too.
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Comes with the territory. I enjoy having a thick skin because lots of great information can be harvested from crotchety guys that have developed low tolerances for repetitious regurgitation of myths, ideas, and internet lore that plague any forum based on niche hobbies/interests. Oftentimes they are the ones with the most experience in the topic/industry.
Aside from the “ignore” feature, I’d suggest new members (which I consider myself part of) utilize the search function more often, and focus on the content rather than the personality.
But I’m sure I’ve already made one or two folks’ “ignore” list myself
I seem to recall you saying some time ago you liked your VA flakes to be "Filbert-forward..."
Back to the actual topic-the “peanut allergy” theory makes sense. I haven’t side by side smoked 507c and LNF, but any difference I noted could have been age related.
507C always seems very “young”, and LNF seems a touch more mellowed.
507C always seems very “young”, and LNF seems a touch more mellowed.
I like all Va flakes equally.I seem to recall you saying some time ago you liked your VA flakes to be "Filbert-forward..."
Whoever grew, and whoever processed that tobacco are still in business and undoubtedly looking for new customers.
If the throughput goes to the American blenders that are going to be most affected, I’ll be happy, even if my favorites expire
I would imagine that Sutliff had contracts with suppliers. I wonder what happens there.
I could go either way on this.
I also have a reaction to perique, and it took me 17 blends (slow learner) to figure out that perique was the common denominator for this unpleasant reaction. The last perique I smoked, intentionally/knowingly, was wet, almost whole leaf straight perique that someone brought from a St James tour 2 weeks prior to that pipe club meet up. It smelled incredible, it tasted amazing...and I could not get past the first puff.
I could roll with the power of suggestion for the reaction to that last smoke, because I had figured it out by then, but the previous 16 blends I was in the dark.
I never smoked LNF because I came across those flakes after I knew about my reaction to perique, but I must have had a sample of the 507c at some point, because I looked back at my old reviews spreadsheet and it says:
'boringly bland, nothing wrong with it but nothing worth remembering.'
Judging by that poor review I am pretty sure that I would taken the time to have had a whinge and a moan if I had a reaction to it.
But maybe just believing it was straight virginia was enough to have no reaction to perique...
from a business perspective, often the boring and least romantic version of the truth is the one that is actually happening.
Maybe someone will be willing to send their 507c to the lab to get tested for perique!
By sheer coincidence, I call my work-room (aka my smoking room) "The Lab." Granted, I just started doing this mere minutes ago, but once I name something of mine, it's generally perpetual. So on that note, I concur; let's send some 507-C to The Lab to "get tested..."
Edit: And if any among us have decent PR skills, smooth talking the brass at STG to get them to foot the bill for the testing would really be the icing on the cake.
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Well, only if things get testy...By sheer coincidence, I call my work-room (aka my smoking room) "The Lab." Granted, I just started doing this mere minutes ago, but once I name something of mine, it's generally perpetual. So on that note, I concur; let's send some 507-C to The Lab to "get tested..."
Lol. Awesome movie. But definitely not my opinion. I was shown the programs. They are an identical program and tobaccos.
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I got a two bowl sample bag of this from @Ahi Ka so I will do two reviews in the form of internal dialogue followed by some contextual history of each smoke. bowl #1 review: "Yeah, that sure is bland to the point of boredom...it may as well be renamed Nirvana since it has essentially achieved...
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It is also really hard to be allergic to perique, as it is tobacco. Nothing added. Nothing changed. An odd reaction to something you do not like is not an allergy. Like the power of suggestion when smoking two of the same product and imagining that they are different.
I LOVED every tobacco I ever tried with perique, including straight perique.
I would not call it an allergic reaction I have, but rather a consistent throat/tongue irritation whenever it is smoked...I actually get a milder version of the same irritation off of dark fired, but not enough to hinder the enjoyment.
I can only assume it is to do with PH levels/fermentation/chemistry/science/stuff. Really, I do not need to understand it, I just stopped smoking perique almost a decade ago and now everything I smoke feels good.
Thanks for that, 507c is redeemed! I was obviously too lazy to update the spreadsheet.
In my case I feel like it's pretty safe to assume it's the fermentation process for Perique that creates a certain type of bacteria I'm allergic to. To add some context, I'm deathly allergic to penicillin (another thing that's created through fermentation) as well as the vast majority of other antibiotics, to the point that I'll break out in rashes and hives all over my body and my throat will start swelling up if I drink non-organic milk just from the teeny tiny trace amounts of penicillin in the milk of cows that were treated with it.
I also can't eat blue cheese since the penicillium fungus used to create it causes the same reaction, and have to carry an EpiPen on me at all times in case of accidental exposure. In short, it's likely not the tobacco itself that's responsible for my allergy to Perique, it's the fermentation process and whatever little microbes result from it that my weird immune system doesn't like.
As far as the whole 507C versus Luxury Navy Flake debate goes, if they are indeed the same blend (which I am admittedly still skeptical of in spite of what the guy from STG who has a business interest in convincing former Sutliff 507C smokers to buy STG's Luxury Navy Flake instead says) then the only explanation I can think of for why Luxury Navy Flake bothered me the one time I purchased an ounce of it but 507C never has is batch variation. Every blend from every manufacturer can differ slightly from batch to batch, and it's entirely possible that I got a batch of Luxury Navy Flake with just a little more Perique in it than usual and it was enough to set off my sensitivity to the stuff.
That was back before I even knew I had an allergy to Perique and still had no idea why some blends bothered my throat and gave me allergy symptoms but others didn't, so I don't think the power of suggestion comes into play in this instance. It was just a case of, "Oh, that one bothered me so I shouldn't smoke it again." I think it was probably a year or so later after having Luxury Navy Flake that I tried 507C for the first time and found that it didn't bother me. So, if they are the same blend then batch variation and having the lousy luck of getting a slightly over-Periqued batch of Luxury Navy Flake is the best explanation I've got.
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I can say that the amount of perique is so low in both (because they really are the same) that it is nearly impossible to blend perfectly. So I 100% can see your ounce of one being different from your ounce of another. That being said, you must have an incredible sensitivity as the amount of perique is almost low enough to be called negligible. Or you have, as you said, the lousy luck of getting the most concentrated ounce.