Why Are There (Almost) No Pre WW2 Vauen Estate Briar Pipes And German Estates Pipes in General Available?

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Celius

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What I mean by that is if you look for German estate pipes you never find any briar pipes from the pre ww2 period for sale.

Vauen as a factory exists since 1848. But there are almost 0 estate pipes for sale from the period of 1900-1945.
Same goes for other German pipe manufacturers.
This is strange if you compare it to availability of French and British estate pipes from the time period.
 

Sig

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I have no idea, but now you gave me another rabbit hole to go down. I know Germans did smoke, and Vauen was created in the 1880s. I know they were famous for their porcelain pipes. And I know the Nazis were very anti tobacco. Perhaps people destroyed their pipes during this time due to strict rule. I have seen pre WW2 German briar pipes, but they do seem rare. Also, Germany has always had a very anti tobacco stance. Here is from Wikipedia.....

Anti-smoking measures have a long history in German-speaking areas. For instance, in 1840, the Prussian government reinstated a ban on smoking in public places.[9] The 1880s invention of automated cigarette-making machinery in the American South made it possible to mass-produce cigarettes at low cost, and smoking became common in Western countries. This led to a backlash and a tobacco prohibition movement, which challenged tobacco use as harmful and brought about some bans on tobacco sale and use.[21][22][23]

The German Empire also had anti-tobacco sentiment in the early 20th century. Critics of smoking organized the first anti-tobacco group in the country, named the Deutscher Tabakgegnerverein zum Schutze der Nichtraucher (German Tobacco Opponents' Association for the Protection of Non-smokers). Established in 1904, this organization existed for only a brief period. The next anti-tobacco organization, the Bund Deutscher Tabakgegner (Federation of German Tobacco Opponents), was established in 1910 in Trautenau, Bohemia. Other anti-smoking organizations were established in 1912 in the cities of Hanover and Dresden.[24]

After World War I, anti-tobacco movements continued in the German Weimar Republic, against a background of increasing medical research.
 

Celius

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I have no idea, but now you gave me another rabbit hole to go down. I know Germans did smoke, and Vauen was created in the 1880s. I know they were famous for their porcelain pipes. And I know the Nazis were very anti tobacco. Perhaps people destroyed their pipes during this time due to strict rule. I have seen pre WW2 German briar pipes, but they do seem rare. Also, Germany has always had a very anti tobacco stance. Here is from Wikipedia.....

Anti-smoking measures have a long history in German-speaking areas. For instance, in 1840, the Prussian government reinstated a ban on smoking in public places.[9] The 1880s invention of automated cigarette-making machinery in the American South made it possible to mass-produce cigarettes at low cost, and smoking became common in Western countries. This led to a backlash and a tobacco prohibition movement, which challenged tobacco use as harmful and brought about some bans on tobacco sale and use.[21][22][23]

The German Empire also had anti-tobacco sentiment in the early 20th century. Critics of smoking organized the first anti-tobacco group in the country, named the Deutscher Tabakgegnerverein zum Schutze der Nichtraucher (German Tobacco Opponents' Association for the Protection of Non-smokers). Established in 1904, this organization existed for only a brief period. The next anti-tobacco organization, the Bund Deutscher Tabakgegner (Federation of German Tobacco Opponents), was established in 1910 in Trautenau, Bohemia. Other anti-smoking organizations were established in 1912 in the cities of Hanover and Dresden.[24]

After World War I, anti-tobacco movements continued in the German Weimar Republic, against a background of increasing medical research.

Thats an interestimg theory, but we do have lots of porcelain pipes from that period for sale. There is also quoet a few few advertaisments of pipe smoking.
And we do have public pictures of the crown prince and the emperor smocking.
Ernst Junger mentions of smoking a small pipe during ww1 in the book Storm of Steel"

I think in ww2 the military provided soldiers with pipes well for smocking as well.
So it seems to me smocking and pipe smocking was quiet popular.
Why no german brand was specifically valued like the british ones, thats the question.
I am actually also currious about the same things in the Austro-Hungarian empire. There is no pipe brand/maker at all from Austria remembered today. But there must have been such brands.
 

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greeneyes

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I think that there are likely more German pipes from pre-WWII than we are aware of. Instead, I think what we observe is a lack of historical documentation assigning brands to companies, company history in general, and the ability to conclusively date these pipes. Not all manufacturers created pipes with an identifiable brand: the ubiquitous "Bruyere Garantie" is a perfect example.

"In 1904, the existing production was expanded to include the manufacture of shag pipes made from briar wood sourced from France and Italy (only the tubers of the tree heather, which develop between the roots and the trunk, are used). For this purpose, specialists were brought in from France, and shag pipe production began in the old mill. Until 1909, the company only hired employees for C. S. Reich; the company roll lists 100 workers up to that point. In 1910, several changes took place within the company. On the one hand, a large new pipe factory was built parallel to what was then Sachsenstraße, where shag pipe production was housed, and this factory was chosen and depicted in 1921 as the motif on one of the emergency banknotes for the market town of Schweina. On the other hand, senior partner Carl Sebastian Reich died in November 1910 after a long illness at the age of 61. The business passed to his sons, Richard (born 1871) and Friedrich (born 1873) Reich, who had long held leading positions, especially with Richard Reich. The so-called "horn and German pipe" was increasingly pushed out of fashion by the easier handling of the shag pipe. Pipe production flourished, and more and more workers were needed. In 1911, the C.S. Reich company hired 40 men and, for the first time, 15 women. These workers were employed in mending, varnishing, sorting, and packaging, but later also worked at the vending machines.

Development continued until the First World War, which, however, brought about another change. The import of briar wood from the Mediterranean was no longer possible. Other raw materials had to be found. Walnut and red beech were therefore processed as substitutes. The end of the war did not bring the hoped-for improvement; quite the opposite. Inflation and the massive penetration of foreign pipes into the German market made conditions more difficult for the German pipe industry. A company as large as C.S. Reich looked for other areas of activity to counteract the sales difficulties in the pipe industry. In 1928, a new branch of industry was introduced in Schweina: the production of folding rules, spirit levels, and other wooden goods, followed in 1932 by the production of planes and wood tools Naturally, additional administrative and factory buildings were also constructed, a 400 hp steam engine with a direct current generator was installed to generate power and light, and meadows and land in the Luthergrund area were purchased to build a substantial sawmill. C.S. Reich became one of the three largest employers in Schweina. In the mid-1930s, with the deaths of Richard Reich on February 1, 1935, and his brother Friedrich Reich on March 27, 1936, another generational change occurred. The general partnership had already been converted into a stock corporation, which in turn was then converted into a limited partnership. The personally liable partners were Robert Hergert and Karl Reich, and the limited partners were Martha Hergert and Fritz. Reich. The politics of these years helped the German pipe business to flourish again. On June 7, 1937, the C. S. Reich company celebrated its 50th anniversary with its employees, and in the company chronicle compiled during these years, it can be proudly reported that in 1938, Department A produced 23,687 gross of briar shag pipes (1 gross = 144 pieces), 4,945 gross of beech shag pipes, and 729 gross..."

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Celius

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I think that there are likely more German pipes from pre-WWII than we are aware of. Instead, I think what we observe is a lack of historical documentation assigning brands to companies, company history in general, and the ability to conclusively date these pipes. Not all manufacturers created pipes with an identifiable brand: the ubiquitous "Bruyere Garantie" is a perfect example.

"In 1904, the existing production was expanded to include the manufacture of shag pipes made from briar wood sourced from France and Italy (only the tubers of the tree heather, which develop between the roots and the trunk, are used). For this purpose, specialists were brought in from France, and shag pipe production began in the old mill. Until 1909, the company only hired employees for C. S. Reich; the company roll lists 100 workers up to that point. In 1910, several changes took place within the company. On the one hand, a large new pipe factory was built parallel to what was then Sachsenstraße, where shag pipe production was housed, and this factory was chosen and depicted in 1921 as the motif on one of the emergency banknotes for the market town of Schweina. On the other hand, senior partner Carl Sebastian Reich died in November 1910 after a long illness at the age of 61. The business passed to his sons, Richard (born 1871) and Friedrich (born 1873) Reich, who had long held leading positions, especially with Richard Reich. The so-called "horn and German pipe" was increasingly pushed out of fashion by the easier handling of the shag pipe. Pipe production flourished, and more and more workers were needed. In 1911, the C.S. Reich company hired 40 men and, for the first time, 15 women. These workers were employed in mending, varnishing, sorting, and packaging, but later also worked at the vending machines.

Development continued until the First World War, which, however, brought about another change. The import of briar wood from the Mediterranean was no longer possible. Other raw materials had to be found. Walnut and red beech were therefore processed as substitutes. The end of the war did not bring the hoped-for improvement; quite the opposite. Inflation and the massive penetration of foreign pipes into the German market made conditions more difficult for the German pipe industry. A company as large as C.S. Reich looked for other areas of activity to counteract the sales difficulties in the pipe industry. In 1928, a new branch of industry was introduced in Schweina: the production of folding rules, spirit levels, and other wooden goods, followed in 1932 by the production of planes and wood tools Naturally, additional administrative and factory buildings were also constructed, a 400 hp steam engine with a direct current generator was installed to generate power and light, and meadows and land in the Luthergrund area were purchased to build a substantial sawmill. C.S. Reich became one of the three largest employers in Schweina. In the mid-1930s, with the deaths of Richard Reich on February 1, 1935, and his brother Friedrich Reich on March 27, 1936, another generational change occurred. The general partnership had already been converted into a stock corporation, which in turn was then converted into a limited partnership. The personally liable partners were Robert Hergert and Karl Reich, and the limited partners were Martha Hergert and Fritz. Reich. The politics of these years helped the German pipe business to flourish again. On June 7, 1937, the C. S. Reich company celebrated its 50th anniversary with its employees, and in the company chronicle compiled during these years, it can be proudly reported that in 1938, Department A produced 23,687 gross of briar shag pipes (1 gross = 144 pieces), 4,945 gross of beech shag pipes, and 729 gross..."

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Thank you for the article. Would be interesting to see the papes from this maker. I couldnt find any pictures unfortunately. :(
 
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Celius

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The post war United States strategic bombing survey estimated in the largest 49 German cities 39% of the housing stock had been destroyed. Given that the more collectible pipes were probably not on farmsteads, this represented a huge material loss in personal possessions, pipes included.
But you do have other things like for example medals and other stuff from that time period sold on the internet. So I find it unlikely that a lot of collections got destroyed...
I think its more likely that no German brand was perceived as collectible and there was probably more an utilitarian approach to owning pipes.
 
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40% of the urban housing stock is massive. And in the case of metals and stuff like that, war memorabilia, this is the stuff soldiers would keep as a momento, or families would keep of lost loved ones. Pipes were commodities, usually cheap ones at that, like you said.

I don't think it is easy to understand the scale of destruction in Germany, you can't keep what no longer exists.
 

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Ok here's my take on the matter...
Although as a nation Germany puts a lot of importance on healthy living, I haven't seen any strong anti- tobacco or anti-anything else for that matter... From what I know pipes, tobacco and accessories were given to the WWII troops.
I have seen and worked on more than enough old vauen pipes, but admittedly they all came from collectors for repairs or restorations and are rarely seen out there on the open. Products like pipes and accessories made under the nazi leadership most of the time were stamped with a D.R.W.G. stamp...
D.R.W.G. = Deutsches Reichs Warenzeichen Gesetz (Registered under the German Reich Trademark Law)
This makes them very interesting items for any Nazi memorabilia collector and you could imagine how many of them we have here.... I also noticed that 8 out of 10 pipe collectors in Germany, tend to collect nazi memorabilia too.9092a9f5-85cf-4679-9927-cde2ab2cd891.jpg
This Photo is the perfect example of what I am talking about(notice the rings and the orange booklet) these are very common decorations I see when locals show me their collections...
As for pipes before that, they are as rare as other 100+ pipes but compared to English or Irish ones, they were not hallmarked so its a bit tricky to date them properly.
 

anotherbob

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I can't speak to Germany, but everyone I've ever met stateside who collected Nazi memorabilia was batshit crazy.
I've met two types. The spooky and the evil. Either they have a certain aesthetic that likes grim and dark things. And some collectors seem to just be waiting for it to come back into fashion and want to get a jump on their goosesteps.
 

Celius

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Ok here's my take on the matter...
Although as a nation Germany puts a lot of importance on healthy living, I haven't seen any strong anti- tobacco or anti-anything else for that matter... From what I know pipes, tobacco and accessories were given to the WWII troops.
I have seen and worked on more than enough old vauen pipes, but admittedly they all came from collectors for repairs or restorations and are rarely seen out there on the open. Products like pipes and accessories made under the nazi leadership most of the time were stamped with a D.R.W.G. stamp...

This makes them very interesting items for any Nazi memorabilia collector and you could imagine how many of them we have here.... I also noticed that 8 out of 10 pipe collectors in Germany, tend to collect nazi memorabilia too.View attachment 422554
This Photo is the perfect example of what I am talking about(notice the rings and the orange booklet) these are very common decorations I see when locals show me their collections...
As for pipes before that, they are as rare as other 100+ pipes but compared to English or Irish ones, they were not hallmarked so its a bit tricky to date them properly.

Actually in regards to ww2 pipes the situation is more clear, I also saw pipe sets on sale that were made for troops on the frontline.
Small apple shaped pipes. Also judging by photos it seems this shape was very popular...

I am more interestrd in German Empire up to 1918 though.
 
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Celius

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Dear Lord.
Billions of dollars of belongings were seized, and remain missing, from Jews, Poles and anyone else deemed subhuman by the Nazis, and you are concerned about used pipes?
Sorry, but thats one of the dumbest comments I have read.
How is that related to pipe collecting, espacially German Empire and WW1 era pipes?
Which the term "Pre WW2" encompasses.
But even if it would be about estate pipes from 1933-1945, this is a pipe forum, and there is nothing wrong about discussing estate pipes.
 

Dshift

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It seems to me thats the most likely explanation.
I also noticed that in most ww1 photos the soldiers smoke the "Jagdpfeife".
Maybe this was way more popular than the normal briar pipes.
Yes those are all over, I will do some research on the vauens you are looking for. Are there any specific identifying marks you know of when it comes to this period? Or is there a specific pipe, you are looking for?
 

Celius

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Yes those are all over, I will do some research on the vauens you are looking for. Are there any specific identifying marks you know of when it comes to this period? Or is there a specific pipe, you are looking for?
I would be interested in the 1900-1918 time period.
It seems to me this te period had very beautiful designs and silverbands and army mount were very common.
I saw a post ww1 Vauen catalogue, but xouldnt find anything earlier...
 
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