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georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
6,864
20,021
Here's what it looks like when people don't just sit back and do nothing. The lesson in this case apparently is never bring a knife to a bar stool fight:


Funny ^^^^ not funny.

The next part is the root-cause of why such things keep happening.

It's because, in the end, the guy will pay virtually no price for having done it. He'll plead to some lesser charge like disturbing the peace, get 90 days probation, and be back on the street within days. Rinse, repeat.

Hell, there was a legit Hollywood-movie-class serial killer hunting people on jogging trails around Kansas City for months, and who not only admitted it after finally being caught, but said he was going to do it on Facebook in the run-up to the actual killings.

How many?

Five.

Slam dunk, right? Not exactly. It's been almost eight years and he has yet to even go to trial.
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
23,035
58,794
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
Funny ^^^^ not funny.

The next part is the root-cause of why such things keep happening.

It's because, in the end, the guy will pay virtually no price for having done it. He'll plead to some lesser charge like disturbing the peace, get 90 days probation, and be back on the street within days. Rinse, repeat.

Hell, there was a legit Hollywood-movie-class serial killer hunting people on jogging trails around Kansas City for months, and who not only admitted it after finally being caught, but said he was going to do it on Facebook in the run-up to the actual killings.

How many?

Five.

Slam dunk, right? Not exactly. It's been almost eight years and he has yet to even go to trial.
I like the festive Christmas ornaments.
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
23,035
58,794
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
Here's what it looks like when people don't just sit back and do nothing. The lesson in this case apparently is never bring a knife to a bar stool fight:

Brings back memories of when I was a twenty something teacher at an continuation school. One of our students, an oversexed 14 year old, with a taste for getting herself into trouble, had ditched school with a friend and was at a biker bar. Her friend freaked out and called the school office. Next thing I know I'm hightailing it to the bar and walk in to see her being, well, "groped" by some dude in leathers and she's enjoying the attention.

I grabbed a pool cue, a nice weapon if you know how to use it, roundhouse the dude and flat out cold cocked him, dragged her drunk ass out of the bar, threw her in my car, which was still running, and floored it.

Someone was looking out for me because there was no pursuit and I made it back to the school without incident. I dumped her at the admin office then walked outside and puked.

Fun times.

I'm much nicer now.
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,664
18,209
Brings back memories of when I was a twenty something teacher at an continuation school. One of our students, an oversexed 14 year old, with a taste for getting herself into trouble, had ditched school with a friend and was at a biker bar. Her friend freaked out and called the school office. Next thing I know I'm hightailing it to the bar and walk in to see her being, well, "groped" by some dude in leathers and she's enjoying the attention.

I grabbed a pool cue, a nice weapon if you know how to use it, roundhouse the dude and flat out cold cocked him, dragged her drunk ass out of the bar, threw her in my car, which was still running, and floored it.

Someone was looking out for me because there was no pursuit and I made it back to the school without incident. I dumped her at the admin office then walked outside and puked.

Fun times.

I'm much nicer now.

Damn...you should have been getting hazard pay for that teaching job. I hope her parents appreciated it.

These days it probably would have gotten you some kind of legal trouble...no good deed goes unpunished anymore it seems.
 

Sigmund

Lifer
Sep 17, 2023
4,395
45,683
France
@telescopes Perhaps I didnt quite grasp what you were saying.

Maybe the part that is left out is the Humanism part. Our youth tend to be learning that no one else matters. I doubt that is anyones design but somehow that message seems to be shaping in that direction.

Secular Humanism in the absense of an ability to foumlate using facts and logic simply becomes Secular Impusivism...which seems to be the world we live it. Create your own truth using your own impulses and drives...forget the rest. Dont worry if its an opinion or a fact...just use it to support getting your immediate needs met.

Perhaps trying to teach Humanism to children in the absence of sound reasoning ability (which is almost always lacking in youth) is akin to giving a child a hammer in a hall of mirrors?

Im not sure of a solution but Im pretty sure we are currently not close.

What I do not agree with is that people are taught that all opinions count. Sorry, while we all may be created equal we are not equal and some opinions matter a hell of a lot more than others. I know when I go to the doctor his opinion matters far more than the lady's in the waiting room.

Maybe it began when we started handing out trophies to the losing team. Sometimes being inculsive goes a bit far. Going home from a ball game empty handed is a life lesson. Being wrong or not knowing is the start of any useful journey. If we shield everyone from that, they take no journey into the world of others.
 
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mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,901
8,929
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
They are simply lost, confused, and most often they are dim.
So the long and short of what you are saying that by not conforming to any religion, people are dim? Wow.

I think these levels of crime occur from a general break down in society that begins in the absence of any real ideology.
These levels of crime stem from the fact that life has become valueless to many folk and I would suggest Hollywood should take a good portion of the blame for that.

In 2013 a film called The Purge was released, set in a dystopian America where for a period of 12 hours on a designated day every year, all crime including murder is perfectly legal. I struggle to think how some screenwriter could come up with such a storyline but there we go.

The film was such a box office hit that several sequels were made. I only watched the first film out of genuine curiosity and it was basically just a killing fest. This is how normalised murder is in America these days and how such little value folk place on life.

Yes, of course it was make believe but I'm sure many nutjobs really got their rocks off on these films and that is worrying.

It is quite the rarity to watch a film where there are no guns or murders somehow woven into the story and why is that? Because the film makers & screenwriters know exactly what Joe Public wants to see on the screen.

Jay.
 
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
23,035
58,794
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
@telescopes Perhaps I didnt quite grasp what you were saying.

Maybe the part that is left out is the Humanism part. Our youth tend to be learning that no one else matters. I doubt that is anyones design but somehow that message seems to be shaping in that direction.

Secular Humanism in the absense of an ability to foumlate using facts and logic simply becomes Secular Impusivism...which seems to be the world we live it. Create your own truth using your own impulses and drives...forget the rest. Dont worry if its an opinion or a fact...just use it to support getting your immediate needs met.

Perhaps trying to teach Humanism to children in the absence of sound reasoning ability (which is almost always lacking in youth) is akin to giving a child a hammer in a hall of mirrors?

Im not sure of a solution but Im pretty sure we are currently not close.

What I do not agree with is that people are taught that all opinions count. Sorry, while we all may be created equal we are not equal and some opinions matter a hell of a lot more than others. I know when I go to the doctor his opinion matters far more than the lady's in the waiting room.

Maybe it began when we started handing out trophies to the losing team. Sometimes being inculsive goes a bit far. Going home from a ball game empty handed is a life lesson. Being wrong or not knowing is the start of any useful journey. If we shield everyone from that, they take no journey into the world of others.
Is social media the biggest teat in history?
Is the medium really the message?
 

Olkofri

Lifer
Sep 9, 2017
8,339
15,351
The Arm of Orion
These days it probably would have gotten you some kind of legal trouble...no good deed goes unpunished anymore it seems.
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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
6,958
23,522
Humansville Missouri
Funny ^^^^ not funny.

The next part is the root-cause of why such things keep happening.

It's because, in the end, the guy will pay virtually no price for having done it. He'll plead to some lesser charge like disturbing the peace, get 90 days probation, and be back on the street within days. Rinse, repeat.

Hell, there was a legit Hollywood-movie-class serial killer hunting people on jogging trails around Kansas City for months, and who not only admitted it after finally being caught, but said he was going to do it on Facebook in the run-up to the actual killings.

How many?

Five.

Slam dunk, right? Not exactly. It's been almost eight years and he has yet to even go to trial.

This has to be the case mentioned.


After 41 years behind a law office desk I’m utterly convinced human nature has not changed since Cain killed his brother for no apparent reason:

I had three clients commit suicide and all three AFTER I’d successfully helped them out of their relatively minor legal troubles.

One of them was found with my letter announcing I’d won his case. Another took the money I’d won for her and paid up her rent, a month in advance.

And my first wife’s sister, who was a part time fashion model with a face any woman would die for, whose father was the second wealthiest small bank chain owner in Missouri, at age 25 gassed herself to death in her brand new car her father gave her, and wrote a fantastic note she was in the final stages of leukemia, which was a total lie.


Sometimes for no reason anyone can fathom people run amuk and do evil to others.


They are truly out of their right minds.

Why the authorities in Kansas City are delaying the trial is he must be sane enough to help his lawyer defend him.

As to the Kitty Genovese syndrome, that’s old as time as well.


Better hope there’s only a few bystanders.

If there’s a crowd it’s likely nobody will help you. They wait for the other guy to stick his neck out, not them.

Humans are not always human in how they act.
 

LOREN

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 21, 2019
730
1,263
67
Illinois -> Florida
"Idiocracy was a prophetic movie."
In my opinion, this movie accurately explains the decline of intelligence/critical thinking/common sense of the populace.
The evil and viciousness of people...?
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
6,958
23,522
Humansville Missouri
"Idiocracy was a prophetic movie."
In my opinion, this movie accurately explains the decline of intelligence/critical thinking/common sense of the populace.
The evil and viciousness of people...?

People are by and large over 99.9% rational.

Every major city in America every day is crowded with countless cars on the freeways and yet accidents are the exception and “road rage” incidents rarer still.

Over a century ago, axe murders of entire families while they slept numbered in the hundreds.


This year there will be hundreds of mass shootings, for no reasons or motives that make any sense to us.

And although the media sensationalizes these events, they are as rare as axe murders were at the turn of the last century.

Sometimes people go haywire:

But they always have and always will.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
6,958
23,522
Humansville Missouri
I blame the human brain. It is often the most dysfunctional organ in the human body in my humble opinion.

There are horrendous crimes we cannot understand and there are also petty crimes that baffle us.

Until debit cards and instant check clearing became common, every Tuesday in our little town there were about a half a dozen young mothers charged with passing bad checks that appeared in court. The amounts involved were small, and virtually always for groceries or necessities. The women wrote checks for what their families needed and didn’t balance their checkbooks.

Another similar phenomenon was young single girls shoplifting makeup and clothing they didn’t need and had lots of money to pay for. Their shattered parents would sit in my office while the girl giggled.

Another strange set of thieves was late middle aged women who would shoplift toys for their grandkids or bottles of medicine for ailments they nor their families had. As to those, I can’t remember any that didn’t soon come down with a terminal illness in the next six months or so.

This is not to let men off the hook for theft.

But when a man stole something I considered him a damned thief. He wanted something he didn’t want to pay for. He didn’t write little bad checks, he’d write huge checks. He didn’t shoplift nearly worthless little things, he’d boost televisions and stereos and then return them to other stores for a cash refund. If you gained him enough time he’d always figure out how to make restitution. He was never angry with his victims. Strangely, they didn’t seem mad at him either, just wanting their money back.


There’s a story in the Bible about the first ms man and the first woman. They had the pleasures of the world for the taking.

And when the man left the woman alone for five minutes, she did the only thing possible that could have gotten them killed, when she ate that forbidden fruit.:)


And what did Adam do?

He said oh what the hell, give me a bite too.:)

Eve was not a bowl legged old grandma, for certain sure.:)

I may miss my desk where I watched the world go by and tried as best I could to help the petty sinners.

But I’m looking forward to not having to see good people having a bad day.

Most people, do petty crimes out of boredom or impulse.
 
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