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When OJ was tried I knew he would get off. Why? Money and influence win every time. I'm surprised Cosby did a day of time.

Lawyers are thugs in suits and judges can be bought for the asking. The grim reality of this is that if you're young and black and go to court, you're going to do time. A very high percent of the young black male population is in Jail.

This has nothing to do with justice but instead striking judicial racism.
When OJ was tried I knew he would get off. Why? Money and influence win every time. I'm surprised Cosby did a day of time.

Lawyers are thugs in suits and judges can be bought for the asking. The grim reality of this is that if you're young and black and go to court, you're going to do time. A very high percent of the young black male population is in Jail.

This has nothing to do with justice but instead striking judicial racism.
You don’t suppose there could be other factors at play? It has to be racist judges and juries, nationwide? In every case?

As someone who has taught at an impoverished school, with mostly black students, for over fifteen years, I can tell you that the problem is far more complicated than you seem to believe.

I see old students of mine in the bookings literally every week, and I can tell you because I knew them personally, none of them were innocent. They were doing the same shit they got busted for when they were still considered juveniles. A shame, because they had potential, but they were a product of how they were raised, or more appropriately, how they weren’t raised. That’s the part of the problem no one wants to talk about. And of course, I’m only talking about the students of mine that have ended up in jail or dead, not everyone. But a comeback of the nuclear family would solve a lot of this, for all people. Most of the boys that I’ve taught had no positive male role models in their lives outside of school. That’s not an unimportant coincidence, man. If you really feel strongly about it, mentor some kids.
 

bullet08

Lifer
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You don’t suppose there could be other factors at play? It has to be racist judges and juries, nationwide? In every case?

As someone who has taught at an impoverished school, with mostly black students, for over fifteen years, I can tell you that the problem is far more complicated than you seem to believe.

I see old students of mine in the bookings literally every week, and I can tell you because I knew them personally, none of them were innocent. They were doing the same shit they got busted for when they were still considered juveniles. A shame, because they had potential, but they were a product of how they were raised, or more appropriately, how they weren’t raised. That’s the part of the problem no one wants to talk about. And of course, I’m only talking about the students of mine that have ended up in jail or dead, not everyone. But a comeback of the nuclear family would solve a lot of this, for all people. Most of the boys that I’ve taught had no positive male role models in their lives outside of school. That’s not an unimportant coincidence, man. If you really feel strongly about it, mentor some kids.
Used to know this kid. I was his den leader for 5 years. Bright kid. His uncle, amazing man, would make sure he comes to the den meeting every week. He made best effort to come to all the campings. But that can go so far. Once he moved up to Boy Scout, he started hanging with different kids. He stopped coming to the meeting. One day I heard he was hanging out at local mall on school hours. Peer pressure is an awful thing.
 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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Peer pressure is an awful thing.
Indeed! Most especially true for kids with low self-esteem. Too many parents and mentors fail to teach kids to trust themselves as they teach decision making. And, schools and parents, in many cases, fail to teach the youngsters critical thinking so, it becomes easiest for them to simply follow the leader, whoever that may be for their particular peer group. Kids need, as they learn right/wrong, the why of good behavior. And then there are the kids who are simply born "wired" incorrectly. Those kids, we coppers, used to call "job security." Some people are simple not meant to be loose in society and there is no correcting them. They are simply what they are, predators.
 

brian64

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Prosecutorial corruption is commonplace in this country and has been for decades. The stories are endless.

Anyone's chances of beating it, whether they are guilty or not (and regardless of their race) depends almost entirely on whether they can afford powerful enough attorneys.
 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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Prosecutorial corruption is commonplace in this country and has been for decades. The stories are endless.

Anyone's chances of beating it, whether they are guilty or not (and regardless of their race) depends almost entirely on whether they can afford powerful enough attorneys.
The stories may be endless but, I want more than stories. Show me facts, I want substance not, "stories."
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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There's plenty of substance to the stories.

And as far as your request for "showing you facts" and your statement of "I want substance", I feel no personal responsibility whatsoever to provide that. I'm simply stating my opinion based on years of information I've gleaned. Do your own gleaning/reading and come to your own conclusions. I'm quite certain our opinions will never be the same on this or most subjects...which is perfectly ok with me.
 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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With nothing about the "agreement" in writing. Now that is some impressive lawyering, to get parties involved to affirm what was said all those years ago and make it hold up in court. Meanwhile plain folks who get steamrollered by law enforcement and the court systems get put in jail for most of their lives. Lady justice may be blind, but she certainly has her hand out. I hope Mr. Cosby is as frail as he acts (he is an actor) so that he is unlikely to snare women. Did his wife decamp on him, or is she still there for him?
 

Jaylotw

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I don’t understand how people can defend Cosby’s rights, when he admitted to his crimes-and they were awful and despicable. He should die in prison for what he did, that’s the appropriate punishment, and a punishment that is doled out for thousands in our society for often lesser crimes, and even on the innocent. Our rights should be defended, true, but in this case I’m having a lot of trouble reconciling Cosby’s “rights” against his obvious, clearly admitted guilt and his “right” to not serve his sentence. Something’s really broken here, and him being set free isn’t a win for anyone except in the sense that it shows just how twisted and ugly our justice system can be.
 
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Prosecutorial corruption is commonplace in this country and has been for decades. The stories are endless.

Anyone's chances of beating it, whether they are guilty or not (and regardless of their race) depends almost entirely on whether they can afford powerful enough attorneys.
I’m sure it happens. I think I’d be reluctant to say it’s commonplace though.
 
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Waning Embers

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I don’t understand how people can defend Cosby’s rights, when he admitted to his crimes-and they were awful and despicable. He should die in prison for what he did, that’s the appropriate punishment, and a punishment that is doled out for thousands in our society for often lesser crimes, and even on the innocent. Our rights should be defended, true, but in this case I’m having a lot of trouble reconciling Cosby’s “rights” against his obvious, clearly admitted guilt and his “right” to not serve his sentence. Something’s really broken here, and him being set free isn’t a win for anyone except in the sense that it shows just how twisted and ugly our justice system can be.
It's less about Cosby's rights and more about upholding the principles of the court and due process.

“We hold that, when a prosecutor makes an unconditional promise of non-prosecution, and when the defendant relies upon that guarantee to the detriment of his constitutional right not to testify, the principle of fundamental fairness that undergirds due process of law in our criminal justice system demands that the promise be enforced,” wrote Justice David Norman Wecht.
 

Casual

Lifer
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Lady justice may be blind, but she certainly has her hand out.
Lady Justice was taken out back and shot decades ago. There’s just a cardboard cutout in the courtroom now.
Something’s really broken here

You’re not kidding. We used to hoist the heads of evil people on pikes. To be civilized, we delegated that job to these lawyers on the promise that they would be more careful and impartial than the mob.

But when the lawyers are batting .000, you’d get better results from the mob. And that’s a truly scary situation.
 
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