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MacBaren is going to produce the Peterson tobaccos?

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  1. arno665

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    In a couple of (well-known) German blogs there are rumours that MacBaren is going to take over the production of Peterson tobaccos from Kohlhase & Kopp. What follows next is translated (by me) from a German blog:

    Dear friends of the pipe,

    There is a rumour going that in the future the Peterson tobaccos will be made by MacBaren.
    If this is already a hard fact, I don't know.
    But it is a fact that future distribution will be handled by Arnold André, as the official press release reveals:

    Peterson of Dublin pipe-tobacco now with Arnold André
    Two great companies with a big history that have their roots in the 19th century and continue on to this day - that's just a commonality that the house Arnold André and Kapp & Peterson Ltd. share. Immediately the traditional company from Bünde and the Irish pipe tobacco specialist go common ways for the distribution for Germany, it is now in the hands of Arnold André.
    "We are very pleased to be able to make even more customized offers to our dealers by complementing our existing product range" says Hans Bockhop, Marketing and Sales Director Germany at Arnold André.
    The distribution take-over does not alter the range and retail prices of the tobaccos. For detailed information, interested dealers can contact the relevant Arnold André sales representatives.
    Bünde, January 2014

    The tobaccos of MacBaren are also distributed by Arnold André, which makes the above named assumption quite near. To what extent Kohlhase & Kopp ever actually made ​​the Peterson tobaccos themselves (after all, the K&K flakes are made by Orlik ​​to my best knowledge) I do not dare to say.
    Whoever has more information, please contribute.

    Of course this all goes for Germany. I don't know who imports Peterson in the USA. But if MacBaren really is going to produce the tobaccos there might be some changes.. Well, from the other side, if they do as good a job as they did with Capstan, then things won't change much. And indeed the K&K flakes are made by Orlik. In fact all of the blending tobaccos from K&K come from Orlik (I've been to the K&K factory a couple of months ago). At K&K they are only mixed and aromas are added. So Orlik-STG-MacBaren.. One big Danish pile..
    I'll keep an eye out for the outcome of this. Or perhaps Kevin can use his contacts

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  2. mountainman

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    Thanks for the information. I don't smoke any of the Peterson line (though i just bought my first tin of University Flake), but I love the MacBaren line as they produce Navy Flake and Capstan. Two of my all time favorites.

    Josh
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    Looks like more of a German distribution issue than an overall tobacco production issue. Who was previously distributing Peterson in Germany?

    So, I appreciate the info, however, I'll wait for something more specific.

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    Looks like more of a German distribution issue than an overall tobacco production issue. Who was previously distributing Peterson in Germany?

    So, I appreciate the info, however, I'll wait for something more specific.

    Kohlhase & Kopp was the Peterson distributor in Germany AND the maker of the blends. So with them out of the picture as distributors it is likely that they also stop producing the tobaccos. Since that Arnold André firm also imports MacBaren in Germany it could very well be that MacBaren is going to produce them. And I don't think they (or K&K in the past) have a German and International version of the Peterson tobacco range. So the change in Germany affects all Peterson blends worldwide.

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    Orlik has taken over the production of several venerable tobaccos and preserved much/most of their character. I have a warm feeling for what Mac Baren might do in this regard.

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    I don't know anything about this at the moment, and don't have time to check on it right now. However, it was always my understanding that the circular tins were made by STG (Orlik) as I saw with my own eyes when I was there in 2010, and the rectangular tins were made by K&K.

    I am thinking it's a distribution change rather than production.

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    Interesting.

    I'm guessing Kevin may be right in it being distribution change rather than production.

    At any rate I hope Peterson continues to make blends. I love their yearly offerings as well as Nutty Cut, Connoisseurs Choice, Sunset Breeze, and Sweet Killarney.

    "The thinking man always smokes a Peterson." -Peterson of Dublin
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    I might worry about consolidation limiting the variety and originality of blends, except every time I shop
    for blends I am awed by the selection -- Cornell&Diehl, McClellands alone take an hour if you are reading
    up on promising blends. I don't know, but suspect that the number of available blends exceeds those in
    the heyday of pipe smoking, in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s. Maybe there's a tobacco historian out there who
    can correct or confirm that.

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    I don't know anything about this at the moment, and don't have time to check on it right now. However, it was always my understanding that the circular tins were made by STG (Orlik) as I saw with my own eyes when I was there in 2010, and the rectangular tins were made by K&K.

    I am thinking it's a distribution change rather than production.

    Thanks Kevin! Ah, I did not know for sure the Peterson tins were made in Denmark. I did not see them in the K&K factory so now that makes sense. The rectangular tins contain flakes and those were made for sure in Denmark. K&K does not make flakes themselves. In this case indeed I also think it's a distribution change rather than a production one.

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    I mailed Peterson and got the following response

    The Peterson blends previously made by Kohlhase & Kopp are now being manufactured by Mac Baren.

    We would like to assure you there will be absolutely no difference in the quality or the selection of tobaccos available to the pipe smoker.

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    Snap, so it is happening.

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    We would like to assure you there will be absolutely no difference in the quality or the selection of tobaccos available to the pipe smoker.

    I don't want to sound negative, but I doubt that the quality will be the same. Threee Nuns from MB are quite different in taste and coin size to the Orlik version, so I expect, that for some, the MacBaren Peterson tobaccos will be better, and for some they will be a disappointment. Fill your cellars, if you really like the current versions!

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    @peter70 Possibly, but MacBaren quality is pretty darn good, so I wouldn't expect it to be bad personally.

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    Yes, probably not bad, but certainly different. If you did not like Peterson tobaccos before, it might be worth to try the MB offerings, as you might like them. Contrary, if you really liked the Peterson tobaccos from Orlik, chances are, that you might not recognize them.

    We had this discussion on Threee Nuns and regardless of the quality, the change made some friends and some enemies. Might be different for people, who did not know the previous version due to availabilty, but many people, who were regular Orlik Three Nuns smokers did not like the MB version and squirreled the Orlik version on large scale.

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    I mailed Peterson and got the following response

    The Peterson blends previously made by Kohlhase & Kopp are now being manufactured by Mac Baren.

    We would like to assure you there will be absolutely no difference in the quality or the selection of tobaccos available to the pipe smoker.

    Thanks for the info!

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    Peterson's response would still seem to beg the question "Which are the blends previously made by K&K that will now be made by MacBaren?"

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    Okay, this explains why PPP is out of stock almost everywhere,
    dammit!

    So, lemme get this right, Orlik made the rectangular tins? So Orlik made PPP?
    If true, that makes sense because STG makes Warrior Plug and other plugs and they seem to have a firm grasp on getting them right... I have faith in Mac Baren for doing a good job, but I understand anyone who likes the current version stocking up, hence scarce PPP.

    Although I do have faith that hopefully things'll turn out right, really I'm only worried about PPP and IF, it is inevitable that they'll be different --- it's my understanding that the original Peterson blends were made by Murray's, is that correct?

    God bless steam-jacketed presses and intense pressure!

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    Well that comes as a surprise to me...That K & K would let go of an extremely good selling brand. On the other hand Mac Baren makes good tobaccos. So I am curious as to the result of all this, if it does happen indeed.

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    So, lemme get this right, Orlik made the rectangular tins? So Orlik made PPP?

    Yup.. And yes, they were once made by Murray.

    And it is even getting worse! Dutch pipe-smokers forum member Huub came with some interesting revelations:

    Through a German friend (who knows the pipe and tobacco world pretty well)I heard that Kohlhase & Kopp are keeping the recipes of the Peterson blends. He had contact with Kohlhase & Kopp and they are making the tobaccos now under the Rattrays name since they (of course) can't use the Peterson name. What is going to happen with Irish Oak, Hyde Park, Balkan Delight and the Plug 3P is not yet known.


    = University Flake


    = Sherlock Holmes


    = Old Dublin


    = Irish Whisky


    = Nutty Cut


    = Connaisseurs Choice


    = Luxury Blend


    = Sweet Killarney


    = Sunset Breeze


    = Gold Blend


    = Irish Flake

    So it seems MacBaren will make their own versions of the Peterson tobaccos.

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    Heh, this is getting convoluted. Isn't this similar to the recent Stokkebye-Villiger-Newminster thing where companies kept making the same/similar tobaccos but had to market them under different brands.

    I guess this could be seen as a good thing. If you don't care for the MacBee's Peterson's you can always try K&K's Rattray's.

    Thanks Arno for keeping us informed.

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    Arno:

    K&K has been making the Rattray's blends for years. Trust me: They're doing an excellent job!

    This is not a recent change at all. Rattray blends have been produced in Germany for almost 25 years now.

    Bob

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    Interesting stuff. It would be nice if the site owners here could bring a little clarity to developments.

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    Speaking of Rattray's new blends that are supposed to be former Peterson blends, Red Lion is not Peterson's Old Dublin. If it is, the recipe has been changed dramatically. I have smoked both together and they don't compare.

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    Steel Cowboy?

    The very same from Tobacco Reviews?

    If so, you have guided me very well in the waters of fine selection.

    Your reviews have greatly helped me.

    Thank you.

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    Well, it seems you experts should make a chart showing which blend is which by the other names and labels. Then we can shop by the lowest price, assuming that all the labels are imported to the USA, or which has changed the least from the originals we liked.

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    There was a rumor floating around that GH was making the Plug, but whoever is doing it is doing a great job.

    Mac Baren seems poised to be making (or the owner of) many classic blend brands.

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    Per George Jensen stated well over a year ago that MacBaren is not producing the Peterson flakes. Irish Flake has been my number 1 favorite tobacco since it was originaly released. K&K did a stellar job after taking over from Murrays. I've smoked K&H's Stirling Flake and in spite of what many have said, in my opinion it is indeed Irish Flake. I've noticed yet another change in Irish Flake with the last 4 tins I smoked. It may still smell like IrF in the tin (noticeably weaker than the K&H version), but there is some other presence in the taste that I can't seem to identify. What I do know is after all of my years smoking IrF, it now nips at my tongue the way many of the MacBarens have a tendency to do. Perhaps MB is now producing the Peterson Flakes as well? Although a bit more expensive (but I've noticed two more flakes per tin with Stirling Flake than IrF), Stirling Flake for me is the same as the IrF I have smoked for years and obviously have gotten very used to. I wish someone from K&H, Macs, or whomever, would enlighten us once and for all!

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