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Looking for a blend with an extremely strong casing

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    Ok, I know this might be heresy but I am looking for blend that has a really strong casing. Whether it be strawberry, vanilla, cherry, chocolate or whatever. My son has taken up the pipe and no matter what the blend is he can't taste anything. We have tried Virginia's, burley's, English, oriental and he gets nothing out of any of them. So I had him try some aromatics and he told me he sort of got something out of some of those but even that was only on the retrohale not something he could taste. According to my local tobacconist that depending on his body chemistry he might just be the type that needs something so strong that the rest of us would get sick from it. So any suggestions out there?

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    Ennerdale Flake.

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    Though not really strong, Exotic Orange is very flavorful.

    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/rattrays-exotic-orange

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    Sutliff Molto Dolce is almost dripping with casing/flavorings.
    I prefer Sutliff Black Cordial, easier to keep lite but still a strong flavor.

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    Is he nic tolerant? Give the kid some Irish Flake if so.
    If not, as Embers suggested, some Lakelands should do.

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    This is what you want - http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/4329/dan-tobacco-blue-note

    This is the sweetest blend I have ever tried and certainly one of the most unique. It is not goopy or gunky, just plain sweet. Blue Note is cotton candy disguised as tobacco.

    This will be your creme' de la creme' and if Sherlock Holmes tasted that stuff he'd turn over in his grave.

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    How about Samuel Gawith 1792 Flake?

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    Suttlif summer nights it's a rassberry. If you want to pm me your address I would be MORE than happy to send you a sample

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    As I remember many of the Sutliff blends have a heavy or strong casing, one of the reasons I quit buying from that make, but if that is what you are looking for then Im sure you will find a blend to fit you liking

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    Thanks everybody, between the Suttlif summer nights and couple of the other recommendations hopefully we will find something that he enjoys.

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    Nothing wrong with aromatics of whatever strength, but not being able to taste tobaccos raises the question, why smoke tobacco? Even highly flavored aromatics are designed to at least accompany tobacco flavors. Sure, try him on some strong aromatics, and maybe some robust cigars. But if he can't taste much tobacco, maybe he's just not a logical person to smoke a pipe.

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    Part of it is that I smoke a pipe and his grandfather smoked a pipe. So he grew up watching us and when grandpa passed away and left his pipe to him it became important for him to carry it on. He has said that at the very least he will go with aromatics but its a connection to his grandfather that's important to him. And I can't argue that. The other part of it is that the meditative process of smoking a pipe helps him focus on his writing. So I will get him the recommended blends and we will see how it works. Thanks

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    Nothing wrong with aromatics of whatever strength, but not being able to taste tobaccos raises the question, why smoke tobacco?

    Because you can't fit a watermelon into a pipe?

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    As to the OP, perhaps he hasn't been smoking long enough to develop his smoker's palate. He could also be smoking too hot and fast causing the flavors to get incinerated, and all he is getting is flavorless hot air.

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    It involves a little DIY but I enjoy taking some Classic Burley Kake and pouring a bit of Ouzo or anisette into the mason jar. Let it marry for a week, turning the jar every day or so to even things out. Excellent if you enjoy licorice type flavors and it smokes easy and cool.

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    I would not pay a tribute to grandpa with Aromatics.

    There is Mac Baren HH Old-Dark Fired that I forgot to mention, slightly nic-light version of Irish Flake.
    Also I have a tin of Pirate Kake now and it is overwhelming in taste.
    The most overwhelming blend I've sampled to the day remains Picayune, but it is the strongest in nic department as well.

    Did you give him anything on this list here? Link to Tobaccoreviews
    If not it might just be that he is undersensitive to taste, I myself can not really get much taste out of blends that are under medium in taste department.

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    This may sound off the wall to ask but if he is congested or has any kind of allergies or sinus trouble that will affect his enjoyment. Have him use a dose of afrin nasal spray or sudafed 30 mins before his next smoke. A dose of Allegra for the allergies. It sounds strange but this solved a similar problem a buddy I was introducing to pipes had. He didn't have a runny nose or anything but his sinuses were evidently coated. Give it a try.
    On the tobacco question. Sutliff has the heaviest casings in my opinion but aromatics don't give much taste anyways. The suggestion above of Blue Note is spot on. Best taste you are going to find in an aromatic. Has perique been explored? A heavy perique blend like Escudo could be the ticket to finding flavor.
    Additionally I would suggest ample enjoyment of the tin note prior to smoking to affect the olfactory senses and engage them.
    And finally I would suggest lighting the pipe for him. I have noted that newer pipe smokers can burn the tongue with the lighting process and then, just like with too hot coffee, they can't taste anything for half the day.

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    As to the OP, perhaps he hasn't been smoking long enough to develop his smoker's palate. He could also be smoking too hot and fast causing the flavors to get incinerated, and all he is getting is flavorless hot air.

    Very good point. This was sort of the case when I started. I was practically huffing the pipe. Slowing down and "sipping" helped a lot -

    Also, I find that until I smoke 5-10 bowls in a new pipe, the flavor is somewhat muted -

    ~another DAN blend (bluenote) which is somewhat strong is Milonga. I grabbed a tin after Kevin's awesome review earlier this year. It's a very good aromatic.

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    If the attraction to pipe smoking is his connection to his grandfather -- and no doubt you as well -- but he doesn't get much flavor from tobacco, I think the answer is for him to smoke as a ritual on special occasions, his grandfather's birthday and maybe yours and his own. On these occasions he can smoke whatever blend pleases him most, even if it doesn't bowl him over. No sense in his struggling to become a regular pipe smoker if it isn't a regular pleasure to him. Pipe smoking is actually a pretty good ceremonial practice and has served that purpose quite aside from recreational smoking, for centuries. His grandpa's pipe will serve the purpose nicely.

    Or, as 'embers suggestions, maybe watermelon rinds could be dried and smoked, but I don't think so.

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    I don't know if I would classify it as super cased, but C and D Autumn Evening is a great Maple Aro.

    Others I can think of
    Captain Black?
    Maybe some Black XX or other twist tobacco. Not an aromatic but strong.
    Boswell Christmas Cookie
    I'm not a fan but Lakeland blends have a unique strong flavor to me.

    My 2 cents.

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    I recall some commentators referring to Sillem's Black as something like Captain Black times 10 or on steroids and similar. I don't think it's anything like CB myself... I like it because is a strong aro with latakia and other quality bakkies in it.

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    Sutliff Molto Dolce is almost dripping with casing/flavorings.

    Look no further!

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    Has he tried a different pipe? Maybe a cob? Other than that, I might add Cult Blood Red Moon, Newminster Very Cherry, G&H Grasmere Flake, and Bob's Chocolate Flake. If none of these have any taste to him, he might want to see a doctor!

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    Or, as 'embers suggestions, maybe watermelon rinds could be dried and smoked, but I don't think so.

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    1792 and G & H rum flake.....surely can't fail.

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    addamsruspipe, has he considered a visit to an ENT doctor? Sounds like the issue is medical, not tobacco-related.

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    Bad technique leads to hot, flavorless smokes.

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    Tambolaka may fit the bill.
    Indonesian farmers toil in their islands' rich limestone soils to grow their flavorful tobacco leaves. After harvesting and air drying the leaves the unique aging process begins. The villagers roll the leaves into 10 foot long sticks of pure tobacco which they then bind using hand made cord to protect from the outside air. They then put these sticks inside their primitive huts and store them for 5 years as the tobacco becomes richer by the day. After aging, this tobacco is cut into three or ten inch sticks for sale as pipe tobacco, as well as being used as a component in Indonesian made cigars, such as Tambo Cigars.

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    Maybe it's time for Kane's of New Zealand - Lamb Cake Slices!

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    I am a new pipe smoker so take this with a grain of salt... but I started by looking for something that my wife would really enjoy the smell of, and very quickly am finding that I have to just enjoy this for me... but I was handed the Peterson Connemara Black in one cigar shop and I think it was one of the better experinces. So far ive tried one or two MacBaren, a few bulk blends (I do like 1Q).. and I really found that I like the MacBaren Plumcake... but its not what I expected (I thought it was going to have a plum topping lol).

    So if I had to hand someone a pipe and a pouch I would set them up with the Peterson Connemara Black if they are expecting cherry. It delivers... and I don't like cherry cough syrup... and this doesn't bring that to mind when i'm puffing on it.

    I hope this helps.

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    Strong casing? Can't taste a thing? I would suggest C&D Dark Chocolate or Old Joe Krantz.

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    This comes up occasionally... I'm looking for something for a son or friend... usually someone who doesn't want to smoke alone, which I understand. But, I cannot imagine worrying about picking out a blend for someone else to smoke. because really, pipe smoking is not really about finding one blend that makes the experience happen, but about just enjoying tasting, all of them, or exploring. Even the worst tasting tobaccos were fun to try. So, if keeping that other person smoking a pipe requires finding the perfect tobacco, then that may just be a symptom of a bigger problem, like maybe they don't want to smoke a pipe, or they aren't really getting into it.

    This is the same reason that I am opposed to giving people pipes to get them started. If they aren't going to make the effort to buy their own pipe, to invest just a little into the experience, then they probably aren't going to stick with it.
    Something given to you for free, just doesn't command the same admiration as something you worked for, IMO.

    I know, I know, we all want a smoking buddy. But, sometimes the effort of "making" a smoking buddy outweighs the return.

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    Some of these blends are giving me "the finger":

    "My own experience has been that the tools I need for my trade are paper, tobacco, food, and a little whiskey." -- William Faulkner

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    Aren't most fruit flavors added as a topping, rather than a casing? This is only a technical distinction, but inquiring minds and all....

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    Yeah, I thought topping was the flavoring and casing is the wet, nasty goop they drench bad aros with?

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    Yeah, sometimes. But I've read GL Pease on a bit of the subject- IIRC, virtually every tobacco is cased with something to cause a better burn/sweeter smoke. Might be sugar, molasses, simply syrup, etc. And then there's those who add poly glycol or something to keep it wet. Ugh!

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    I must be thinking of "heavily cased". Like Captain Black and such.

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    Oh thanks cosmic, now you've got me second guessing giving my cigar smoking brother in law a pipe for christmas.. lol. Joking apart, I think his (similar to mine) OCD type of "I like shiny things and I like hobbies that involve stuff" would enjoy pipe smoking. Apparently he has quite the collection of cigars... but he has more of the personality that I would put to someone with a pipe clenched between their teeth.....

    jpmcwjr topping vs casing? I hadn't paused to even consider the difference... I started a thread earlier about rubbing out and had another revelation. Do the (what do you call something that isn't supposed to be an aromatic?) still get toppings or casings? I would imagine its a yes... I like my bitter beer more than sweet sugary stuff... and was surprised I like the non-aromatic as much as I did (I spoke about the plumcake above)... I have started messing around with a home made forge & just like being in my outbuilding with my pipe clenched in my teeth banging on a piece of nearly molten metal with my BFH. The cherry or fruity or vanilla tobaccos I find have me drooling into the bit...

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    Donkey- For most folk, it's academic- they both affect the flavor or lack thereof. But here's an article by Russ Oulette worth a read. (Greg Pease has also written on same, IRRC)

    HERE is the LINK!

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    A new piper needs something mellow and tasty.... no flakes, no latakia.... give them some Lane Vanilla Black Cavendish or some Dark Red. Both very flavorful and mild as it gets!
    Good luck!

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    I'd take a tour of the Lakeland blends made by G and H. Ennerdale, Coniston, Kendal flakes....there's a bunch, and the flavorings are powerful.

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    Can your son taste food and beer etc? Maybe he has an actual olfactory issue. Can he discern differences in tin notes?

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    It took me quite a while to be able to taste any tobacco, especially an aromatic... of which I still cannot taste.

    But, in rereading this, the casing is the mixture that is added to the tobacco before processing it. 99.8% of all tobacco has this. You meant toppings which is added to an aromatic to give it a flavor or aroma.

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    Captain Black grape, you don't even have to lite it to taste it. Your sons taste fore tobacco will develop over time kind of like wine tasting.

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    Does he know how to retrohale/snork? My tongue is like a strip of dried leather from years of whiskey/whisky and napalm-level hot sauces, and I honestly don't get a whole lot of flavor from smoke. I can really only perceive the subtleties of tobacco by retrohaling; when I discovered that, the world opened up.

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