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In Praise of Darkness

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  1. deathmetal

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    There is a little mailing list on which I participate, in part because it is related to professional concerns and in part, because I like the people involved. My role there is part as repository of memory, and part to reign in enthusiasm over new articles that promise the whole world will change because of this one weird thing -- you know the type.

    With the last couple months being strikingly busy outside of work and normal home activities, I have not been participating much, and the list has changed quite a bit. In fact, when I returned to the folder where I store emails from this list, I was shocked at what happened: traffic surged, bloated, and then trailed off, to only a message or two a day at the present time.

    Thermodynamics has won at a crawl. I started going back through the old messages, and here is what I saw. About the time that I got busy, a newish member announced that his daughter was missing. A saga followed: she had gone off to school in a small Texas city, done well for awhile, then done less well, and now was not answering the phone or emails.

    I was glad to miss this thread, since I know that pattern too well. But everyone else was along for the saga. The suspense of having to make phone calls. The final outrage before he and the wife got in the car and roared down there in the dead of the night. The lying roommates. The unhelpful school (she is legally an adult, after all, so Not Our Problem). And, after a week of emotional messages, the discovery of the new boyfriend living in a trailer outside town, the bad habits, and the history of lies.

    Whew, that's a lot to post on a public mailing list, I thought. I was not alone in that sentiment. A few of our oldest and youngest members told this fellow in no unclear terms that it was unwise to discuss this on the list, but they got shouted down by a group that might as well be the majority. So we tagged along for the whole drama, straight to the treatment center and academic probation.

    Back to normal, I thought, leafing through the messages. But no: the list had changed, and by that, I mean that the people had changed. The hardware, software, addresses and topic were still the same. As this guy had been posting his daily list of tragedies, people fell into a rhythm. Everyone said something emotional. It didn't matter if it was pro or con, just that each person had to have his say about how this made him feel. How it affected his personal stability. That kind of thing.

    And so now, each new topic was this way. Someone would introduce a new idea, and they would go right down the line, each person writing down his reaction to it. For some, it was pure emotionality. For others, it was to talk about how their personal domain of knowledge could re-interpret this new idea. Many just weighed in with total irrelevance, such as how they had a similar event which wasn't similar at all and how they acted and why they feel good about that.

    Christ on crutches, we've become a support group. I had to go to one of these, a long time ago. Basically, everyone in the group had a problem, and it wasn't in the big scheme of things all that different than what got this fellow's daughter. So one guy stands up and says, "I'm an alcoholic, I ferment my mother's urine and drink until I pass out," and then everyone else throws in his general experience and his emotions, and soon it is a bunch of saps agreeing that they were all sad victims of life itself, so... well we might as well head out drinking to numb the pain. I saw the cycle forming right there.

    If this long and rambling story has a point, it is this: beware emotional participation. Not all of us codgers and curmudgeons are as grumpy as we seem, but the other side, that participation trophy, it'll get you. Relish your inner cynic. Praise darkness as well as light. Revel in your ability to apply knowledge to help, but be wary of the hive-mind. Entropy killed that mailing list, and I'm not sure it can be resurrected. The culture -- the living part -- is gone.

    "My own experience has been that the tools I need for my trade are paper, tobacco, food, and a little whiskey." -- William Faulkner

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    I moved this from General Pipes Smoking Discussion to General Discussion.

    Is it even possible to ferment urine into alcohol?

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    If they're passing along enough sugar, probably, but I haven't tried it yet. I'll put it on the to-do list for later this week. I apologize for dumping this one in the wrong forum.

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    beware emotional participation

    Totally agree. When I was a kid, hiding your emotions was "cool". Today, people try to find something to cry for. We are living in an apartment and there is a new neighbor who is doing some repair in his new apartment before moving in. It was last Saturday that upon entering the house, I heard an instrument destroying the walls, it felt like they were working on my walls. So I knocked the door of the new neighbor, a guy opened the door and told me that the owner of the house was not there. I kindly asked them not to work on the weekends and from 1AM to 4AM on the weekdays, because of my 2 year old's afternoon nap. The guy said "We will try not to make any noise", I said "Don't try, just don't do! Otherwise I will inform the authorities." The next day, when I wasn't at home, a lady knocks our door, my wife opens and the lady introduces herself as the new neighbor. She starts saying that she has just lost her 29 year old child, therefore they have to move to this house as soon as they can and they can't stop working on the weekends, blah blah. I mean, I understand that, I can share your pain, you can use my shoulder to cry but how in the f*cking earth your child's death is related to the noise you are making? Sorry for the emotional outburst

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    What is a hive mind? I mean I know that bees have to all coordinate flower locations and defend the queen for survival. But, I'm not sure how this could translate into a people thing. And, even if so, how is it bad? or good? Or, what is it?

    So, you guys just passed along an email like a chain letter? Did you add something to the story, or just reply to it and pass it on... to the same people, or different people?

    Sorry, so many questions...

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    Is it even possible to ferment urine into alcohol?

    Actually it just says "I ferment my mother's urine and drink until I pass out" so instead of alcohol maybe something magical like fermented perique? Who wants to go on a fermented urine trip??? Does it taste like snozberries?

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    Does it taste like snozberries?

    Don't forget the carrots!

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    The hipsters have already started bottling infused asparagus piss beer.

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    Darkness is way overrated.

    Ubi Ignis Est?
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    "Darkness is way overrated."

    So put the light on, then all will be revealed

    Regards,

    Jay.

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    I'm so lost...I'm going to go smoke.

    "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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    What is a hive mind?

    Good question. I thought of it as Mob Rules or Ochlocracy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy
    Definitely an H.P. Lovecraft thing. It may be closer to a biological state like Stockholm syndrome, but there isn't enough blood in my coffee stream to tell just now.

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    Actually it just says "I ferment my mother's urine and drink until I pass out" so instead of alcohol maybe something magical

    It is said the Philosopher's Stone can be derived from urine through an alchemical process.

    “Bipartisan usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.” – George Carlin
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    BTW: I have made a personal decision to not become emotionally involved in this thread.

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    "It is said the Philosopher's Stone can be derived from urine through an alchemical process."

    I have also heard that kidney stones will turn you into a praying man.

    POSSIBLY, contentment is not only the chief element of life, but also one of the very foundations of society. If this be so, then as Tobacco is the enemy of malice, friend of virtue, and a direct cause for content, its use should be encouraged. -J.W. Cundall 1901
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    I'm not sure they'll turn you into a praying man, but I know for a fact they'll turn you into a crying man.

    A man who serves his country is a patriot. A man who serves his government is an employee. The two are not always the same thing.
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    "I'm not sure they'll turn you into a praying man, but I know for a fact they'll turn you into a crying man."

    Indeed! Samuel Pepys would certainly attest to that. He endured his lithotomy the old fashioned way...good glug of brandy, rag in mouth and four burley men holding him down.

    Regards,

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    good glug of brandy, rag in mouth and four burley men holding him down.

    Ahhhh the description of many good times!

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    To be in a group requires adopting its beliefs, at least to some extent. I have experienced this on the many forums in which I've participated and also IRL. The norms may be healthy, or not, but to speak against those most strongly held invites censure. For instance a common belief on the forums is that anything that has any Lakeland is to be avoided like the plague. The small amount of Lakeland in Stonehenge or Dark Flake, which I've smoked more or less daily for a dozen years, only occasionally detecting it during the initial light, is enough to send some heading for the hills. When Stonehenge was being released there were at least two dozen posts on this forum expressing everything from distaste to disgust. Was this group speak? I think so. I've encountered this prejudice on multiple forums for years. . .and a lot of guys espousing this have never smoked anything Lakeland! All they know is what someone else said and because of the group, all they know is to repeat it.

    No one really discusses how the tobacco tasted and why they don't like it. There are in fact many Lakeland essences, so to describe them in one word speaks more to ignorance than anything else. Some guys will mumble something about "granny's panties," which also says nothing.

    In the end, this is just my opinion. You may dislike "Lakeland" as much as you like, for whatever reason, even if you've not smoked any!

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    Maybe... but we have a lot of guys who only smoke lakelands. We even have a guy who smokes Mixture 79, some like it goopy, some who like it dry, some in betweeners. I am in the anti-cake gang, while we rumble with those who can only get a pinch of tobacco in their caked pipes. There are even a few of us who... shhhhhh... smoke aromatics... in the closet.... sometimes. And some who are aro-curious. Maybe a hive mind. Or maybe factions of people agree and disagree on stuff. Maybe?

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    But, you can't pass up a great running gag, like Royal Yacht or... bay leaves.

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    We even have a guy who smokes Mixture 79

    Are you talking about Didi?

    By the way, let's not change the subject. We were talking about urine and kidney stones.

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    Oh... I didn't know Didi liked Mixture 79, I thought that was Chasingembers. Maybe I got that wrong.

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    Make aromatics great again.
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    Oh... I didn't know Didi liked Mixture 79

    My bad, I thought Mixture 79 was Carter Hall

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    Never tried mixture 79.

    I have no witty comments.

    Nothing intelligent to say.

    I'm just sitting.

    But when you really think about it, that was probably the most intelligent thing that was said so far.

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    The hipsters have already started bottling infused asparagus piss beer.

    Among other things....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/vaginal-beer-the-order-of-yoni-crowdfunding_uk_56fcde77e4b0884065f045f3

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    Vaginal beer... hmmm... "beware emotional participation."

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    We may have a 2nd Starcat thread, Vol2 maybe. We just need to attract Sable and Warren to this one.

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    We even have a guy who smokes Mixture 79

    Actually we have a few. Me, ray47, pipesmokingtom, frozenchurchwarden, hawky454......

    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/ah-crap-i-like-mixture-79

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    Guess you named them all. Now I'm gonna have to find my jar of Mixture 79 to see what it's like now. Not sure I'm up for the search right now.

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    Wow, this morning has taken a turn for the weird. "Vaginal secretions?" One of my favorite terms in the English language, and THEY try to ruin it. Is nothing sacred in the pursuit of the almighty dollar? A woman's essence cannot be distilled in such a crude and vulgar manner. Yet another way to yoke women to the oxcart of patriarchal consumerism. I'll stick to free-range, thank you, even if the source looks like this... Yes, I'll try it, but I won't enjoy it.

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    OK, I'm selling "Brenda Beer" brewing kits for $39.95, starter yeast included. Order now!!

    HAPPY HALLOWEEN !!!!

    Mod: Sorry, image had to be removed ~Cosmic

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    Mixture 79 is actually not all that bad. I kind of like it.

    But Royal Yacht, nothing compares!

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    By the way, let's not change the subject. We were talking about urine and kidney stones.

    Hah! Yes, more on that.

    But have to admit I have a wee fascination (get it?) with the model-piss beer. If that were a good thing, I'd think scratch and sniff would be better. Or actual panties worn for a few moments by enticing women, and sent to you in sealed mylar bags.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    I think a complimentary pair are included with every "Brenda Beer" brewing kit. Can be used as a filter to add that special something to your brew!

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    Introducing Brenda Beer Bock! Made with our cutting edge patented Coffin Technology, Brenda Beer Bock will age nearly instantaneously for that complex profile you want in a vaginal libation. Just listen to some of our satisfied customers:

    "It made me violently ill." Eric T.- Paris, Texas
    "I woke up in a ditch and all the neighbors' cats were gone." Alex M.- Beardstown, Illinois
    "I can literally smell human brains now." Jeanette R.- Berkeley, California

    Act now and get three complimentary panty filters for that Je Ne Sais Quoi missing from run of the mill home brews.

    Mod: Sorry, image had to be removed ~Cosmic

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    I think I know that lady from Facebook.

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    Introducing Brenda Beer Bock!

    Mod: I'm sorry dave, I had to remove that one ~Cosmic

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    Guys, lets keep the imagery somewhat within the bounds of decency. If it gets too outrageous, we will have to close it.

    ...as I try to self-justify leaving pee beer on here, ha ha.

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    Nothing ruins a good drunk like a woman. Now they have to combine the two?

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    lets keep the imagery somewhat within the bounds of decency

    I actually thought I had. I'll not divulge what I ALMOST used.

    This proves most days I don't know I have crossed the line until I see it in the rear-view mirror. My humble apologies for necessitating action on your part, Cosmic. Infused asparagus piss beer was a great shot at the hipsters. I'll try to keep things closer to PG-13 from now on. My apologies as well to the sensitive members who were waylaid by unsettling images in a thread titled "In Praise of Darkness." I'll be in Halloween mode until November 2nd and will make every effort to spare you all.

    For inquiring minds, the first image was the bathroom lady from The Shining, and the second was a meme of a large woman wearing a gown in repose on a couch. I can see how they were a bit too much, especially with the text. Now I have to wonder what DaveT posted?

    Anybody else notice they made BREAD the same way, as well as beer?

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    Yet another way to yoke women to the oxcart of patriarchal consumerism.

    Huh?

    News flash: women are responsible for probably around 80% of all consumerism.

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    Now I have to wonder what DaveT posted?

    A selfie

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    I'm lost here so time to bow out

    Regards,

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    News flash: women are responsible for probably around 80% of all consumerism.

    All I buy is tobacco, beer and ammo, so that's probably true around here anyway.

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    A selfie

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    Huh? News flash: women are responsible for probably around 80% of all consumerism.

    I'd say 50%, but that is just spit-balling. I was being hyperbolic and making fun. You may have noticed I immediately jumped onto the bandwagon I had just decried, using a female to sell a product. I cannot be taken seriously, Brian64, in any reasonable manner on any given day.

    A selfie

    @DaveT - A little bird told me your image came out swinging.

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