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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
19,937
45,950
Southern Oregon
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From what I see, I don't understand why they didn't just go ahead and make the tenon push type out of vulcanite in the first place then.
They did make the tenon out of vulcanite. That's what I'm showing in the picture - a vulcanite tenon attached to an amber stem.
Unless they were just trying to give the stem that amber look, in which case, vulcanite would be out the window as far as aesthetics are concerned.
Amber stems were very much the rage at the time these pipes were made. And we're not talking about amberoid or some synthetic version. That was largely used for the cheap crap. We're talking about actual real amber. But the amber that was used was, unlike a lot of amber, quite brittle and subject to chipping or breaking if not handled with care. So the folks at Barling were trying to come up with a way to use the best material for the specific function. In this instance, using a vulcanite tenon, which has more flex and give, to make the tenon, which has to handle shearing forces against the inside of the mortise as well as providing a more durable attachment than bone connectors of the era provided.
Looks to me like they could have just seated the vulcanite tenon portion up inside the amber and secured it that way, but I see how they could have even tried that method and decided threading it in made for a better connection.
Correct. That's what they did. The vulcanite tenon cap also provides a shield against shearing forces torquing the connector, when butted up against the face of the amber stem. Countersinking the tenon into the amber stem would have exposed a larger face of the amber to the shearing forces. Yep, no engineering in making pipes...
Just so hard to know what their methodology was back then since it's not like they all kept the most meticulous records of everything they tried that didn't work.
We don't know much because the records were largely destroyed. But they, and others, clearly had a methodology for achieving what they wanted, one that could be passed on. We do know that Barling were always looking for better designs as evidenced by the surviving patents for various bit, filter, and system designs that were, or weren't, actually put into production. They were inventive little buggers.

 

georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
5,598
14,567
Nothing wasteful or mysterious going on here. Real amber was once King of the Pipeworld when it came to social status (luxury goods identifiable from a distance); and push tenons were the coming thing---easier to use than a screw, plus free of timing problems.
Someone at Barling decided to make a pipe that offered both features simultaneously. The end.
That the design had an inherent weakness---the tenon would get stuck and people unscrewed the stem from it---was discovered only with extended use.

 

ssjones

Moderator
Staff member
May 11, 2011
18,626
11,864
Maryland
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Here's an unusual set, advertised as a 1920's Sasieni set.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/332724776640?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137
Includes a "Temple Bar" model, I don't recall ever seeing that pipe. That would appear to be 1920's.
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The "Hunt" bent billiard is a mystery. It is appealingly tiny! The button looks out of place to my eye.

And it certainly has been smoked.
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jpmcwjr

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May 12, 2015
25,023
27,967
Carmel Valley, CA
Ouch! Way under exposed images that he bumped up the shadows in PS by 3-4 stops. No detail in the paper towel- sad, sad! But the pipe loses detail, too.
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jpmcwjr

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Staff member
May 12, 2015
25,023
27,967
Carmel Valley, CA
This was posted 6-9 months ago, and it raises a big question.
Are these Barlings heavily refinished? As in coats of thick varnish or shellac? The nature of the highlights seems to indicate that to me, but bigger Barling and photography experts' opinions are wanted....If the reflections don't indicate that, what causes them to not have smoother edges?
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
19,937
45,950
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
Are these Barlings heavily refinished? As in coats of thick varnish or shellac? The nature of the highlights seems to indicate that to me, but bigger Barling and photography experts' opinions are wanted....If the reflections don't indicate that, what causes them to not have smoother edges?
I knew the seller. These pipes belonged to her father, who coated all of his pipes with some kind of oil, possibly mineral oil. I suggested that she clean the oil off, but she didn't.

 

snagstangl

Lifer
Jul 1, 2013
1,612
771
Iowa, United States
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/132714317456?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137
Unsmoked merchant Service ended at $520. I thought it would go for more considering the stupid prices stuff has brought lately.

 

ssjones

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May 11, 2011
18,626
11,864
Maryland
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This pipe has it's own thread here, an unusual shape number (498, should be 499?) and Blue Riband stamping. The oddities didn't help the final price it seems.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/113158075599?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137
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ssjones

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May 11, 2011
18,626
11,864
Maryland
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Another fun auction, for an unsmoked Ashton Magnum. Two heavy hitters made swings for the fence in the final minute, doubling the standing bid. I wonder if we'll see this one in Rich Esserman's next article for The Pipe Collector?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/372364030415?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137
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dmcmtk

Lifer
Aug 23, 2013
3,672
1,688
I'd say a fair price (if not a little high) for Blue Riband 498. The grain completely falls apart on the right hand side of the pipe, the left hand side is only "ok". The finish looks a little "off" for a BR, I would tend to question the level of its originality.

 

ssjones

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May 11, 2011
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Maryland
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Unsmoked, bone tenon GBD (advertise as from 1877 to 1900). A 2nd one was just listed, also unsmoked.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/362381796652?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137

 

snagstangl

Lifer
Jul 1, 2013
1,612
771
Iowa, United States
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Judd-039-s-Lot-of-3-Briar-Pipe-Bowls-Dunhill-Comoy-039-s-Blue-Riband-amp-Barling-039-s-/142896613462?hash=item21454d4856%3Ag%3AZWMAAOSwtbBbaOo2&nma=true&si=EUcoBFXiIKZ6k%252Bk19fHnVWFlThg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
3 bowls for $200 WTF.