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charlie

Might Stick Around
Apr 16, 2011
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Might as well put my two cents in. GO SEALS!! ^-^ They did a top notch job, and I think Obama was right in keeping it under his hat till the last moment. It would have definitely turned out differently had it been leaked out and others had gotten a hold of the information.

 

pstlpkr

Lifer
Dec 14, 2009
9,694
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Birmingham, AL
OK here's my 2 cents.
First and foremost, Usama was a mass murderer, he may not have flown the planes or walked into a crowded cafe and killed people whose only crime was they were in America, or were associated with Americans. But, as the one who gave the orders... he is guilty and not worth the powder in the cartrige that let his brains see the light of day.
The information collected from his compound will (I'm sure) reveal a great number of damned souls that will and should be dispachted with all due expediency.
As for the burial at sea. I'm glad that he has been fed to the fishes. But, by following the rituals of his religion; we demonstrate to the world that we as Americans have a fundamental respect of an individual's belief. No matter who your are. I am sure that those that follow his misgueded teachings and orders will not see it that way, owing to their overwhelming ignorance.
It was a small step, an incredibly dangerous step, but one we as Americans were obligated to take. We had to dispatch this murderer, to let the world know we are Americans, and we defend each other or carry retribution to those that harm us. We had to draw the line in the sand. This far... No farther.
Now it's time to take that information... and use it fast, use it decisively, and with extreme prejudice against those that would harm us.

 

collindow

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 15, 2010
738
4
Portland, OR
Amen Lawrence.

And I've seen a lot of people saying that, while Osama taking a round is a huge victory, it doesn't change anything concrete. And that is semi-true, as I see it. It won't stop the war, and will only intensify it, for a while. However, depending upon how important Osama really was to the terrorists out there, we could see dramatically lower recruitment...or another leader could step up and be just as effective. We simply can't know at this point.

We can only pray for the former.

 

igloo

Lifer
Jan 17, 2010
4,083
5
woodlands tx
There are 13 counties with stan in them , they all have oil . Russia needs a pipeline to the gulf . The US needs oil . The CIA is evil . Seal Team 6 rocks . You would be mad too if you had to wipe your a.. with rocks and only had the Koran to read and loud speakers blasted at you all day long . We should have dropped balls , tennis balls ,footballs , frisbees , hoola hoops , base balls ,kick balls and comic books instead of bombs . The whole world hates us because we rock and they suck . No one wants to hold hands and sing kum ba yah with us . Osama was a a hole .We are in the middle east so we can live the American dream . Turn em all to glass they have been fighting like school kids for as long as there has been written history , and thier only contribution to the world is goat cheese and pistachios . :crazy:

 

cortezattic

Lifer
Nov 19, 2009
15,147
7,638
Chicago, IL
Fatman nailed it:
I don't think the eradication of this POS should have even been publicized.
Publicizing the operation in no way furthered American interests; and whatever dents the operation will make in Al Qaeda don't depend on our knowing about it. It was purely domestic politics at work, and the publicity just ramps up the war with terrorists (as though focussing on Iraq, Afghanistan, & Libya weren't enough.)

 

admin

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Lawrence, I like you more each day! :)
Collin, thanks for the thread.
Igloo, great post. Now I'm bummed I finished my goat cheese yesterday. I feel like having some now.
And the thread is still open. Ha!

 

buckeye

Part of the Furniture Now
Nov 16, 2010
925
8
should have brought him back to ground zero alive and had a good old fashion hanging.

 

hobie1dog

Lifer
Jun 5, 2010
6,888
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Cornelius, NC
I guess we can let it peter out naturally. :rofl:
I'm burned out on the sensationalism of it all..they just won't give it up with the micro-analysis on TV :evil:

 

hobie1dog

Lifer
Jun 5, 2010
6,888
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Cornelius, NC
This is a viewpoint of Peter Joseph which I share, read it carefully:
On May 1, 2011 Pres. Barack Obama appeared on national television with the

spontaneous announcement that Osama bin Laden, the purported organizer of

the tragic events of September 11th 2001, was killed by military forces in

Pakistan.
Within moments, a media blitz ran across virtually all television networks

in what could only be described as a grotesque celebratory display,

reflective of a level of emotional immaturity that borders on cultural

psychosis. Depictions of people running through the streets of New York and

Washington chanting jingoistic American slogans, waving their flags like

the members of some cult, praising the death of another human being,

reveals yet another layer of this sickness we call modern society.
It is not the scope of this response to address the political usage of such

an event or to illuminate the staged orchestration of how public perception

was to be controlled by the mainstream media and the United States

Government. Rather the point of this article is to express the gross

irrationality apparent and how our culture becomes so easily fixed and

emotionally charged with respect to surface symbology, rather than true

root problems, solutions or rational considerations of circumstance.
The first and most obvious point is that the death of Osama bin Laden means

nothing when it comes to the problem of international terrorism. His death

simply serves as a catharsis for a culture that has a neurotic fixation on

revenge and retribution. The very fact that the Government which, from a

psychological standpoint, has always served as a paternal figure for it

citizens, reinforces the idea that murdering people is a solution to

anything should be enough for most of us to take pause and consider the

quality of the values coming out of the zeitgeist itself.
However, beyond the emotional distortions and tragic, vindictive pattern of

rewarding the continuation of human division and violence comes a more

practical consideration regarding what the problem really is and the

importance of that problem with respect to priority.
The death of any human being is of an immeasurable consequence in society.

It is never just the death of the individual. It is the death of

relationships, companionship, support and the integrity of familial and

communal environments. The unnecessary deaths of 3000 people on September

11, 2001 is no more or no less important than the deaths of those during

the World Wars, via cancer and disease, accidents or anything else.
As a society, it is safe to say that we seek a world that strategically

limits all such unnecessary consequences through social approaches that

allow for the greatest safety our ingenuity can create. It is in this

context that the neurotic obsession with the events of September 11th, 2001

become gravely insulting and detrimental to progress. An environment has

now been created where outrageous amounts of money, resources and energy is

spent seeking and destroying very small subcultures of human beings that

pose ideological differences and act on those differences through violence.
Yet, in the United States alone each year, roughly 30,000 people die from

automobile accidents, the majority of which could be stopped by very simple

structural changes. That's ten 9/11's each year... yet no one seems to pine

over this epidemic. Likewise, over 1 million Americans die from heart

disease and cancer annually - causes of which are now easily linked to

environmental influences in the majority. Yet, regardless of the over 330

9/11's occurring each year in this context, the governmental budget

allocations for research on these illnesses is only a small fraction of the

money spent on “anti-terrorism” operations.
Such a list could go on and on with regard to the perversion of priority

when it comes to what it means to truly save and protect human life and I

hope many out there can recognize the severe imbalance we have at hand with

respect to our values.
So, coming back to the point of revenge and retribution, I will conclude

this response with a quote from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., likely the most

brilliant intuitive mind when it came to conflict and the power of

non-violence. On September 15, 1963 a Birmingham Alabama church was bombed,

killing four little girls attending Sunday school.
In a public address, Dr. King stated:
“What murdered these four girls? Look around. You will see that many

people that you never thought about participated in this evil act. So

tonight all of us must leave here with a new determination to struggle. God

has a job for us to do. Maybe our mission is to save the soul of America.

We can't save the soul of this nation throwing bricks. We can't save the

soul of this nation getting our ammunitions and going out shooting physical

weapons. We must know that we have something much more powerful. Just take

up the ammunition of love.”
- Dr. Martin Luther King, 1963 -

 

bowhatchie

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 27, 2010
656
1
I had vowed to stayed out of this one.... but I just can't.. I will however try and keep my remarks as brief as possible.... I keep hearing about what has become of humanity...the state of humanity that we have allowed ourselves to decline to...BullShite! Humanity is no different than it has always been... #1. The Middle East has been fighting each other since the dawn of time.... and they always will.. they can't help themselves it is their nature... Check the history... war has been on going in the middle east FOREVER! #2. Humanity has slipped from when? What about Hitler and the inhumanity to man that took place during world war II? What about the Indian wars in the 1800 hundreds... massacre after massacre... I submit that humanity is in the state that it has always been.... does not make it right.. but it is what it is........ Personally.. though I will not be shooting off fireworks ( though I might if I had some).. I am delighted that the old Bastard is dead...and even more delighted that our folks dealt this scoundrel the hand he deserved.

Bow

 
May 3, 2010
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Las Vegas, NV
I guess what kind of gets me is the hypocritical celebration of the murder of a man who was condemned by the public for murdering. I am kind of curious if it went down so smoothly and so quickly why the troops didn't just taze him and take him back to the U.S. to put him on trial. Sure he would have been convicted and sentenced to death quicker than anyone can bat an eye, but his death would have been with a clear conscience and undisputable. There's probably a lot more to this story than the American people are being told, as is the case with most political things. After almost ten years though, I think it's time to remember and move on.

 
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