troutface, thank you for that. I am glad to hear you are saving for a Rad, I think you will be very happy with it. I think no one is making better pipes than Rad, especially considering what he charges. I could spend more on a pipe very easily, but I believe that after a certain price, you are only paying for grain and shaping. I would much rather have 4 sand blasted Rad's than 1 straight grain Former or Balleby especially since the Rad is a better smoker.