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jpmcwjr

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Hah! Re: Neymar.
Hugo Lloris, the French goalie, has been impeccable, but so have several others. He's also the goalie for Tottenham, and the captain. Anyway, we'll see him on Sunday. The Croatian goalie must be good, but I have seen only a couple of games with him in the box.

 

wyfbane

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Soccer is ok. Love that Croatia is in the final. Cool that can happen in a world tourney and a country of 4 mil people. I had season tickets to the Seattle Sounders for a couple years. A rabid fan base makes live matches amazing.
As an aside, hockey players are like the lumberjacks of sports. There isn't a tougher group of athletes. No comparison to soccer floppers.

 

madox07

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Croatia has a good team, and have been struggling for a higher position in the championship for a few iterations now. I didn't get a chance to watch the match yesterday, as I had stuff to do, but from what I hear it was a hell of a game. Looking forward to the final !!!

 

jpmcwjr

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As an aside, hockey players are like the lumberjacks of sports. There isn't a tougher group of athletes. No comparison to soccer floppers.
True inso far as it goes. But there are also many tough soccer players. Big size doesn't seem to matter much in soccer, but certainly does in hockey, football and basketball. Sports where sheer size doesn't count for so much are baseball, lacrosse, tennis, and golf. And many more, in both categories, but I think those are the major ones.

 

mso489

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France vs. Croatia, who knew? France favored according to chattering sports class. I hope the match-up looks competitive, kind of a fizzle if it doesn't. Anyone have the broadcast time on this translate to U.S. Eastern Daylight Time? (Don't research it, I can do that... just if you know off-hand.)

 

jpmcwjr

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For pure and brute toughness and playing with injuries, hockey wins hands down. My only point was that many soccer players are tough, too. For one, most play a full 90 minutes, not resting 2/3 or 3/4 of the time while the other lines play. And hockey is 60 minutes, with two breaks between.
But the main difference for me is that you don't have to be large to excel at soccer (and there are some smaller hockey players who are excellent and tough) - just an athlete who can go the distance.

 

ashdigger

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Professional cyclists are the toughest. I mean in the Tour De France they ride an average of 2,200 miles in 23 days. That includes the 2 rest days they get.

 
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I watch soccer here and there, but always try to catch as much of the World Cup as I can. This years World Cup has been excellent. I think the level of play has made the matches a pleasure to watch.

 

thomasw

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... there are some smaller hockey players who are excellent and tough
Indeed, examples could be multiplied...
This is for sure true historically and, interestingly, a current trend in the NHL. All one has to mention is Bobby Orr for the historic side of the case. Tough but not a big guy at all, yet fast on the ice and clever and an extremely elusive puckhandler; the finest defender who has yet to play IMO. Again, most of the top ten defenseman picked in the recent NHL draft were smaller, faster puckhandlers capable of moving the puck into the offensive zone and then have the jets to get back. Being able to defend with positional play and speed are what teams seem to be drafting now; smaller, fearless and smart.
But back to the World Cup...
I expect France to win but I am hoping that Croatia wins. I'd like to see a country which has not ever won it, win it.

 

mso489

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Professional cycling is unique both in its physiological demands and its seemingly intrinsic corruption. Ardent bikers who try riding with those athletes soon get left bicycling by themselves. The competitors bodies just process an incredible amount of oxygen, leaving out the pharmaceutical use. So you start with people genetically different from most. Also, the history of the sport started with brutal tactics, anything that could be done to ruin the others' bikes and injure the other riders. That's gotten more controlled, but other cheating continues.
I lean now toward sports that don't imply brain injury and early death. I have amazing Superbowl memories of fourth quarter and overtime plays that rocked my mind, but now I enjoy sports where there are fewer concussions, like NBA and college bb, and football (soccer). A vastly under-appreciated sport, diminished by its commercial namesake, is high school and college wrestling. It's a fascinating chess game. The lighter weights scrap around on the mat in subtle (and not so subtle) combat and the heavies conduct almost Sumo style matches with many fewer take-downs. It is a science and an art that (apparently) can't be replicated for commercial purposes. Professional wrestlers are master athletes, but the competition is theatrical by design, though many fans live in denial. Many professional moves would be lethal if performed as they appear, of course. Even with school wrestling, broken bones and other injuries are not unusual, so it is hardly a gentle sport.
Yes, Croatia winning would be a kind of David and Goliath victory, a historical mark.

 

smokeydogg

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I follow and love most sports. Football is my favorite but I have really got into soccer the past couple years because of my European colleagues. I really enjoy waking up to the Premier League games on the weekends before Football games start, good way to start the day.

I am not very shocked by Croatia, they have some awesome players that play for some of the world's best club teams. I am surprised how such a small country produces such great athletes, they have great basketball too.

I hate comparing athletes in different sports. LeBron could never do what Messi can do who could never do what Tom Brady can do and so on... apples and oranges.

 

jpmcwjr

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All true. But to me athletic ability at the highest level includes ability to perform for a long time -(conditioning) at peak levels, as well as the ability to make great decisions in a split second, time and time again. Brady does this in only a handful of times per game (when the arranged play is blown), and I think James does this a lot, but many plays are set pieces.

 

mso489

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France is the champ, but the score 4-2 reflects a respectable battle, a good finish for a battle between underdogs. France and Croatia deserve their star billing.

 
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