Why Are There So Few Burley Flakes Available?

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filmguerilla

Can't Leave
Oct 17, 2022
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It seems like every burley flake made by a reputable producer gets snatched up very quickly, so why aren't there more of them? I'd love to see GL Pease, etc. do interesting things with a burley flake. Maybe someone will do something along the lines of Cobblestone Hiking, Solani aged burley, etc. Even a replacement for MacBaren's burley flake. Am I missing some offerings?
 

Brendan

Lifer
GH &Co Best Brown #2 - usually stays in stock the longest compared to their more topped blends.

Good question though. But as you say it's really up to STG and C&D now to release new blends, depending on Government restrictions etc. Does Greg Pease have any Burley based blends in his portfolio aside from flakes?

Also, as mentioned above the C&D series.
 

sardonicus87

Lifer
Jun 28, 2022
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Even if you don't look specifically at flakes, VA's in general (regardless of cut, but probably even by cut) are far more popular, and a lot of people are almost proud of not liking burley... to me, akin to that Portlandia skit or whatever (never saw the show just familiar with the clip) of a bunch of snooty people "DID YOU READ?" and "I don't even own a TV", though the proudness of not liking burley pales in comparison to the people tripping over themselves to proclaim their hatred of aromatics like only children and wimps smoke aros and real smokers only want unadulterated pure tobacco taste, because they're a real man (at least that's how it comes off to me). I mean someone saying they don't like aros when it's relevant isn't really the issue (and it's perfectly fine to not like them), it's more the people that go out of their way unnecessarily to proclaim their dislike of them when it's not really relevant (like if someone is specifically asking for aro recommendations and that's what the thread is about, it helps nobody for you to come in to say "I don't like aros").

Hell, another forum someone started a thread about what's your "final four" or something about what you're currently smoking between vas, aros, burley and English and the number of people putting down blends for 3 of the categories and putting "I don't smoke burley" for the burley category was like 1/4 of the responders on the first two pages. And there's others still that the only burley they'll smoke is ODF/Kentucky.

And then there's still occasionally threads that crop up from time to time about "I thought burley was just cheap floor scrapings for cigarette tobacco, boy was I wrong" or some such.

All that is to say, burley of any cut is not immensely popular compared to other blend types... at least as far as forums are concerned. Many think of burley as either "noobie/beginner" tobacco or "codger stuff". VAs are probably the most popular blends.

And that's a big part of why you don't see more burley flakes (not as much demand from consumers as for VAs, at least as it appears on forums and for boutique blend buyer types).

If there's more to the story than that, I don't know. I do know burley is a little more difficult to grow than VA (at least I think that's what I read at some point), which could mean less production compared to VA which could translate to less use, or less familiarity.

Then probably other factors like, too many are the same because they're all trying too hard to be an ABF clone, which is one of only a handful of burley blends that get regularly recommended, and not trying to experiment with burley (if you think burley is one-dimensional and something you can't explore very far as a basis for a blend, you've never had LJP's burley blends) or thinking it can't do much other than add nicotine to a blend or alter the ph of a VA or something also probably contributes.
 

JoburgB2

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 30, 2024
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Dundee, Scotland
Even if you don't look specifically at flakes, VA's in general (regardless of cut, but probably even by cut) are far more popular, and a lot of people are almost proud of not liking burley... to me, akin to that Portlandia skit or whatever (never saw the show just familiar with the clip) of a bunch of snooty people "DID YOU READ?" and "I don't even own a TV", though the proudness of not liking burley pales in comparison to the people tripping over themselves to proclaim their hatred of aromatics like only children and wimps smoke aros and real smokers only want unadulterated pure tobacco taste, because they're a real man (at least that's how it comes off to me). I mean someone saying they don't like aros when it's relevant isn't really the issue (and it's perfectly fine to not like them), it's more the people that go out of their way unnecessarily to proclaim their dislike of them when it's not really relevant (like if someone is specifically asking for aro recommendations and that's what the thread is about, it helps nobody for you to come in to say "I don't like aros").

Hell, another forum someone started a thread about what's your "final four" or something about what you're currently smoking between vas, aros, burley and English and the number of people putting down blends for 3 of the categories and putting "I don't smoke burley" for the burley category was like 1/4 of the responders on the first two pages. And there's others still that the only burley they'll smoke is ODF/Kentucky.

And then there's still occasionally threads that crop up from time to time about "I thought burley was just cheap floor scrapings for cigarette tobacco, boy was I wrong" or some such.

All that is to say, burley of any cut is not immensely popular compared to other blend types... at least as far as forums are concerned. Many think of burley as either "noobie/beginner" tobacco or "codger stuff". VAs are probably the most popular blends.

And that's a big part of why you don't see more burley flakes (not as much demand from consumers as for VAs, at least as it appears on forums and for boutique blend buyer types).

If there's more to the story than that, I don't know. I do know burley is a little more difficult to grow than VA (at least I think that's what I read at some point), which could mean less production compared to VA which could translate to less use, or less familiarity.

Then probably other factors like, too many are the same because they're all trying too hard to be an ABF clone, which is one of only a handful of burley blends that get regularly recommended, and not trying to experiment with burley (if you think burley is one-dimensional and something you can't explore very far as a basis for a blend, you've never had LJP's burley blends) or thinking it can't do much other than add nicotine to a blend or alter the ph of a VA or something also probably contributes.
Too much coffee?
 
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BingBong

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I'd love to see more straight burley flakes. ABF is good, but not as good as it used to be, apparently - so there's room for a bit of competition there.

Burley seems to get used most of all as the flavour carrier for aros and such, it absorbs the additives better than virginias. University Flake or Ennerdale are good examples, the sauces are held by the burley component and it's only toward the end of the bowl that the leaf flavour itself is revealed (along with the nic hit) - my favourite bit.

I haven't explored all of the GH offerings yet, so few of them are sauceless.
 

JoburgB2

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 30, 2024
640
2,237
Dundee, Scotland
I'd love to see more straight burley flakes. ABF is good, but not as good as it used to be, apparently - so there's room for a bit of competition there.

Burley seems to get used most of all as the flavour carrier for aros and such, it absorbs the additives better than virginias. University Flake or Ennerdale are good examples, the sauces are held by the burley component and it's only toward the end of the bowl that the leaf flavour itself is revealed (along with the nic hit) - my favourite bit.

I haven't explored all of the GH offerings yet, so few of them are sauceless.
I was debating to suggest University Flake too. Or Erinmore Flake.
 
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gervais

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Sep 4, 2019
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Ontario
C&d has a line specificly dedicated to burley flakes...actually I'm pretty sure most companies do. I don't feel there is any shortage of burley in flake form
 

sardonicus87

Lifer
Jun 28, 2022
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Just a quick comparison on SP, if you go to tobacco locator, select the family as VA, English or Aromatic and set the items per page at 72, you'll get 6 pages of stuff for each of those families. Set it to Burley and you'll get 2 pages. There's literally 300+% more options in each of the other major individual blend types than there is in burley.

Just because C&D has a line of burley, doesn't mean much of anything. There's several lines that don't have a burley at all. But I guess we need to be happy because C&D makes a dedicated line of them (which, is funny, that's the only thing anyone can ever point to about burley flakes when the subject comes up), so we "have choices"... of one line.

Evidence from tobacco locator, only filter is the family, and I didn't even include "English aromatic" for English or Aromatic searches:
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Merton

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Jul 8, 2020
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Not to change tge subject but it's still burley. I wish there were more cube cuts. PS41 seems to be the nicest cube cut but I'm just not thrilled with the topping. Sutliff use to make one but in the last years that has even seemed to change in the cut. Must be difficult to produce. I'd like to find a high quality cube cut!
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