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Lifer
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Yeah, its supply and demand, but in a lot of cases collectability plays as much of role as pipe quality or smoking quality. A really stunning straight-grain, plateau-rim Dublin by Joe Artisan might cost a few hundred, but lots of people collect Castello pipes, so a similar Castello might cost a good bit more. It's not that the Castello is objectively better (it could be objectively worse in some way), but it's a Castello and the Joe Artisan pipe isn't.

But the reasons for why people like certain makes or makers varies a lot. And some are way more popular than others.
 
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boston

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If I were asked to advise someone on becoming a pipe maker, I'd tell them to review the cost of goods they intend to sell. What costs? Years of learning how to make a good pipe, finding a mentor, tools, supplies (rod and briar), workspace, and the tools you need for that (like dust eaters). Then, you might want to consider LLC or whatever you're business structure is (unless this will be a hobby). Might need to pay for that, and the accountant. Then consider your misfires...the pipes you mess up (with that spendy briar), or the cracks or rocks or pits you find.

Then.... consider cost of sales. Some buyers asking questions (time), plus shooting good pictures... maybe that's not hard.

I'd never endeavor to do it. I've got bills to pay, and I lack... talent. But for the talented folks, maybe it takes a day to make a pipe (after all that prep) and maybe after the messed up ones you have a few to sell every week.

How much do you need to make the keep the lights on? My mechanic makes $125 an hour, I live in a spendy state... everything is expensive here. Say it takes a really talented person just 8 hours to complete a $1000 pipe from start to finish. I'm not talking an OK pipe, I'm talking the rare special perfect one that stands out. Beautiful , artistic, etc. Well, that's the rate my mechanic makes. Good guy too, keeps my car on the road.

Takes decades to be a Roush or Talbert or many others. That's why a pipe can cost a thousand dollars. Or more.
 

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Lifer
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I get that, but I don’t think it’s that simple. Just a quick comparison and seeing a $3,500 Castello vs another artisan maker around $500 with roughly the same amount of briar used in crafting the pipe with a nice smooth finish and grain.

Are you implying that the sourcing to get the raw briar sourced from the same company would cost one outfit “x” and the other “y”? I guess I can see that too - based on the total volume purchased. But I’m still trying to wrap my head around some of the pricing.
You're approaching the comparison incorrectly. It's not about comparing one pipe to another individually. If it were, you could compare the smartest dog to the dumbest human and conclude that there isn't that much of an intelligence difference between the two species.

Brands like Castello, Dunhill, Mercedes-Benz, or Rolex don't stand out because each of their products is overwhelmingly superior to the competition, but because they've built their prestige—and the price they can charge—thanks to consistent quality maintained for decades and across millions of units manufactured.
 

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Lifer
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I love and collect Andrew Marks pipes. They're made from really sweet-smoking briar, the airways are always smooth and open, and the stems have rounded edges all around. Plus, I just think they're cool. Great guy to boot.

But his pipes aren't as collectible as Dunhills or pipes made by some younger artisan makers, and you can usually find them cheaper on ebay (unsomked) than you can buy them directly from him. To me the pipes are worth what he charges, but the secondary market prices them a bit lower. The pipes are still great, but there just aren't that many people bidding up the prices.
 
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spike

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These are all reasonable responses. But as many have commented, it’s all supply and demand. It’s called a MARKET where the buyer and seller agree on a price, and what anyone “believes” a price should be is irrelevant.
 

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Lifer
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These are all reasonable responses. But as many have commented, it’s all supply and demand. It’s called a MARKET where the buyer and seller agree on a price, and what anyone “believes” a price should be is irrelevant.
At certain times, sellers and buyers can agree on an exorbitant price; sometimes bubbles are created. In all the hobby sectors, we are emerging from the bubble created by the pandemic.
 

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Lifer
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I think the dynamics of social media distort market prices. Information circulates so quickly that buyers' interests are shaped instantly, and prices adjust accordingly.

When I started, I walked into a tobacconist's and impulsively bought a pipe and some tobacco; I didn't know anything. Over time, and by meeting people, I developed my tastes.

Today, many people get into the hobby by seeing other people's collections and tobacco online, and they want to imitate them. Sometimes I see people who, in their first year, buy dozens of pipes and accumulate tobacco to "have a collection" right away. That's why everyone is chasing after the same pipes and the same tobaccos, even though they end up disappointed.
 

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Lifer
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Why worry about a $10,000 Rolex when you could have this?

Because that watch is an unnecessary exercise in haute horlogerie, and its market prestige is based on an aspirational price and celebrity endorsements. Any servicing will have to be done in Switzerland, will cost as much as several luxury watches, will take a year, and besides, it's frankly ugly. If life ever puts me in the position of buying fine horology, I'll go for a Patek Philippe or a Lange.
 

spearheadbill

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Pipe smoking and cigars are luxury items and activities. This isn’t food and shelter nor medical necessity. Top shelf tobacco especially aged and rare including cigars have never been cheap. I don’t know what your time is worth but if I’m taking 8 hours and materials to make a pipe or a widget I’m going to be paid for it and I fully support and expect any artisan to get all they can for their creativity and work. If someone wants to get a nicotine fix on the cheap then get a corn pipe or a kaywoodie and smoke supervalue shag. This talk about expensive pipes and tobacco always smacks of envy and jealousy. Even if I felt that way I certainly wouldn’t share it in public and expose my weaknesses to the world. Buck up man and have some pride!
 

DonutLuvr

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Pipe smoking and cigars are luxury items and activities. This isn’t food and shelter nor medical necessity. Top shelf tobacco especially aged and rare including cigars have never been cheap. I don’t know what your time is worth but if I’m taking 8 hours and materials to make a pipe or a widget I’m going to be paid for it and I fully support and expect any artisan to get all they can for their creativity and work. If someone wants to get a nicotine fix on the cheap then get a corn pipe or a kaywoodie and smoke supervalue shag. This talk about expensive pipes and tobacco always smacks of envy and jealousy. Even if I felt that way I certainly wouldn’t share it in public and expose my weaknesses to the world. Buck up man and have some pride!
Can you tell me where in my post did it smack of envy and jealousy - Or did you bother to read it?

Besides - without asking questions and having discussions, how can one learn more about it?

“I’m mainly trying to learn, especially for the day I finally decide to treat myself to a higher-end pipe. Up to now I’ve actually preferred rusticated finishes, mostly because I’m afraid of dinging up a nice smooth one.”
 

Waning Embers

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This talk about expensive pipes and tobacco always smacks of envy and jealousy.
Probably just perplexed at the pricing. Castello seems to have come a long way since Wally Frank bailed them out of going the way of the dinosaur many years ago. Hell, even I find it amusing that after nearly four decades of smoking I find $1000+ artisan pieces fundamentally no different than cobs.
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sardonicus87

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Besides - without asking questions and having discussions, how can one learn more about it?
By searching and reading. There's probably at least 100 threads on this board alone featuring that question.

This question gets asked at least 6-12 times a year, and half of the time it is people asking more rhetorically to be judgemental.

The reason is the same as everything else... some things below a certain price point are more expensive than others due to better materials, better craftsmanship, etc in combination with name prestige.

Over a certain price point, it's all prestige and paying for the name. Exactly like how all luxury goods work in a capitalist framework. Which is another reason the question feels either naïve af or judgemental/jealous.
 
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