Behold! The dead horse Lives! It has struggled to it's feet for yet another flogging. I thought we put this subject to bed last time we didn't resolve it.
Why a Round Tin?
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Warren,
I'm guilty of the same.
My apologies.
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I do enjoy intense dialogue, but often it can go awry if the involved parties are not thoughtful and empathetic,
traits of which thankfully most members here embody.
I think that PipesMag is the most lively pipe forum on the net precisely because we can discuss delicate or sensitive issues that can get somewhat heated and still remain thoughtful and courteous for the most part, while at the same time opening new perspective avenues regarding whatever philosophical argument we may be engaged in.
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"...regarding whatever philosophical argument we may be engaged in."
When I glanced at that last sentence I initially thought that it said, "...regarding whatever philosophical argument we may be enraged in."
When I glanced at that last sentence I initially thought that it said, "...regarding whatever philosophical argument we may be enraged in."
Jesus Christ in a Chicken Basket. It IS Groundhog Day here at PipesMagazine, isn't it?
Let's answer a few questions:
Round vs. Square- Yes, I love those little square/rectangular/ovoid tins. Even better, I like the litho'd tins. Little gems, they are. But those tins date back to a time when production runs were 10x what they are today. Labor costs were a fraction of what they are now and a company could amortize the setup costs out over a much larger order of tins and get the price down low. Today, with sales numbers being much smaller, nobody can afford to do litho tins. Besides, other forces are at work to ensure that those little rectangular tins will go the same way as the Dodo. Impending EU labeling regs will take care of that, since there isn't enough space on those tins to meet the needs of new expansive warning labels. So for us to use rectangular tins, we'd have to import them from the EU, and then buy the machinery needed to seal them, only to face the task of moving to round tins once the FDA rulemaking goes into effect. Is historical authenticity worth $20 a tin? Most customers would say no. But if you want them, Troy, just cut us a check for the 50k tin minimum order and for the machine to fill and seal them and we'll get right on it for you.
Blends, Plugs and Crap Like That- Nothing remains the same. Everything changes. Every f'n blend sold today that has been around more than 5 years has changed and/or disappeared. The changes that old blends have gone through are epic and make up half of the conversations here on PM. Blends change for a lot of reasons, but change they do. Nothing remains unchanged. So at Standard Tobacco, we do the damnedest that we can to be true to the old ways, while we attempt to produce a blend that is unique and enjoyable using modern leaf and methods, and to bring it in at a price that customers can afford. It's a tall order, bound up with compromises that keep me awake at night. It's also why there isn't a War Horse Bar on the market yet: Because we are still trying to strike the best balance. Will it be exactly the same as the 1980 War Horse Bar? Or the 1970 version? How about 1938? See the dilemma? We will prevail, however, War Horse Bar will rise again and damn it, you are going to love it!
As for introducing new cuts or blends under an old name, well, that's just a continuation of what has been going on since day one. If John Cotton's was still in business, or their successor Gallahers was still alive, or if their successor JTI was still interested in making pipe tobacco (all of which "are not"), they'd be introducing new blends and new cuts left and right. It's the lifeblood of the business, and it keeps life interesting. We have a lot of plans for new products, and we're really excited about it all. We think that you'll be, too.
Maybe, Troy, perhaps your talents are being wasted here. Maybe you just need to start up your own tobacco company and do it your way... I mean, how difficult could that really be? ;-)
Let's answer a few questions:
Round vs. Square- Yes, I love those little square/rectangular/ovoid tins. Even better, I like the litho'd tins. Little gems, they are. But those tins date back to a time when production runs were 10x what they are today. Labor costs were a fraction of what they are now and a company could amortize the setup costs out over a much larger order of tins and get the price down low. Today, with sales numbers being much smaller, nobody can afford to do litho tins. Besides, other forces are at work to ensure that those little rectangular tins will go the same way as the Dodo. Impending EU labeling regs will take care of that, since there isn't enough space on those tins to meet the needs of new expansive warning labels. So for us to use rectangular tins, we'd have to import them from the EU, and then buy the machinery needed to seal them, only to face the task of moving to round tins once the FDA rulemaking goes into effect. Is historical authenticity worth $20 a tin? Most customers would say no. But if you want them, Troy, just cut us a check for the 50k tin minimum order and for the machine to fill and seal them and we'll get right on it for you.
Blends, Plugs and Crap Like That- Nothing remains the same. Everything changes. Every f'n blend sold today that has been around more than 5 years has changed and/or disappeared. The changes that old blends have gone through are epic and make up half of the conversations here on PM. Blends change for a lot of reasons, but change they do. Nothing remains unchanged. So at Standard Tobacco, we do the damnedest that we can to be true to the old ways, while we attempt to produce a blend that is unique and enjoyable using modern leaf and methods, and to bring it in at a price that customers can afford. It's a tall order, bound up with compromises that keep me awake at night. It's also why there isn't a War Horse Bar on the market yet: Because we are still trying to strike the best balance. Will it be exactly the same as the 1980 War Horse Bar? Or the 1970 version? How about 1938? See the dilemma? We will prevail, however, War Horse Bar will rise again and damn it, you are going to love it!
As for introducing new cuts or blends under an old name, well, that's just a continuation of what has been going on since day one. If John Cotton's was still in business, or their successor Gallahers was still alive, or if their successor JTI was still interested in making pipe tobacco (all of which "are not"), they'd be introducing new blends and new cuts left and right. It's the lifeblood of the business, and it keeps life interesting. We have a lot of plans for new products, and we're really excited about it all. We think that you'll be, too.
Maybe, Troy, perhaps your talents are being wasted here. Maybe you just need to start up your own tobacco company and do it your way... I mean, how difficult could that really be? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ6UVdgW0lM
"Impending EU labeling regs will take care of that, since there isn't enough space on those tins to meet the needs of new expansive warning labels."
Here's one currently sponsored by the WHO (World Hysterics Organization):
Here's one currently sponsored by the WHO (World Hysterics Organization):
Dan: I'd prefer the 2016 iteration. And be quick about it! Unless you are compressing "War Horse" by sitting on it when you are on the computer, you are wasting time! I have seen the future! And, I believe it to be "War Horse" the plug.
PM's hidden camera recently snapped Dan in the super secret product-development laboratory of The Standard Tobacco Company of Pennsylvania. Could it be that he's finally completed War Horse Plug? The world waits and wonders...
You guys are great.
Well...some of you, anyways.
I gave to go-ahead today to commence production of War Horse Bar. It ain't gonna happen in a week, or a month, or three months, but the proverbial ball is rolling. You need balls in the business, and you hafta' keep 'em rollin'.
Well...some of you, anyways.
I gave to go-ahead today to commence production of War Horse Bar. It ain't gonna happen in a week, or a month, or three months, but the proverbial ball is rolling. You need balls in the business, and you hafta' keep 'em rollin'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LEY9E_W5sw
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