Who can date this Charatan?

[kenbarnes]

I am struggling to date this one. Probably very early Lane. Any ideas?

 

[ssjones]

I'm always confused by their dating guide and the variables, there often doesn't seem to be a concise/complete set of criteria on a piece.
Charatan's Make in block does look like early Lane.

It lacks the "Made by Hand" (block or script).
This guide, the best I've read, says that tapered stems were never used in this era.
So, I don't know.
https://pipedia.org/wiki/Dating_of_Charatans

 

[kenbarnes]

Thanks ssjones, after having read this link quite closely, it seems that it is 1955-1960.

I hope one of the Charatan Specialists can give me some more clues!

 

[ssjones]

That does seem to fit, but I'm not sure about the CP logo, it looks thicker than the example and the L stamp use was started in 1955 (according to that article).
Unfortunately, I'm not sure we have a Charatan expert here, it is one of the few British brands under-represented.

 

[kenbarnes]

the cp is the thin one, it has just been stamped a bit weirdly.

I am sure that there are one or two people on this forum who know!

 

[jpmcwjr]

I'm chirping in only to say what a blast!! It's a beauty.

 

[jguss]

hi ken,
is that the original box? if so, the pipe dates from 1958-64. at any rate those are the years which list the panton address in the london phone directory.
also, is there anything else on the stamped on the stem? it ought to be a mite early for a reg number, but i'm curious anyway.
regards,

jon

 

[shikano53]

Gotta echo jp, I can't help you with the dating but it sure is a beauty!

 

[peteguy]

Leo DiCaprio can date it - he dates anything that moves. Boooya!
no help here either but that blast is wonderful!

 

[kenbarnes]

is that the original box? No jguss it is not. but I thought it was in the same era (but did not know about the Panton St. dating).The box is in such mint condition that it looks like it came out of the shop yesterday. Also, it has no shape no. written on the side i.e. it's blank.

I think the reg nos on mouthpieces were only for DC bits from 1960 onwards?

In my 1952 Charatan Catalogue the sandblast quality was only deluxe. this one has no quality stamp and I think that may be the clue. Also I would like to know when Charatan started using shape nos to include the size of the pipe. The mouthpiece is hand-cut and the end of the tenon is turned by hand because it is 'trumpeted'. In the picture, this shape 102 in a smooth weighs 48grm- this one weighs 38grms!