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VDL_Piper

Lifer
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In the United States, the use of glyphosate has increased dramatically since the introduction of genetically engineered glyphosate-tolerant crops in 1996. By 2016, the nation used an estimated 287 million pounds of glyphosate, which is equivalent to about 130,000 tons.56 This significant increase is largely due to the widespread adoption of genetically modified crops that are resistant to glyphosate, allowing for more extensive use of the herbicide.
U.S. has 641,000 square miles of net cropping land and 130,000 tons equals 200gms/so 4 tins of tobacco per square mile. What a farmer uses on his crops isn't the culprit it's what happens to the food after it leaves the farm gate and gets packaged and put on shelves in supermarkets. If you're eating avocados in January (northern hemisphere) ask yourself the question of how this is possible with something as sensitive as an avocado. There in lies the root problem with all food and I suspect the cause of the vast majority of allergies that present in todays population.
 
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FLDRD

Lifer
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U.S. has 641,000 square miles of net cropping land and 130,000 tons equals 200gms/so 4 tins of tobacco per square mile. What a farmer uses on his crops isn't the culprit it's what happens to the food after it leaves the farm gate and gets packaged and put on shelves in supermarkets. If you're eating avocados in January (northern hemisphere) ask yourself the question of how this is possible with something as sensitive as an avocado. There in lies the root problem with all food and I suspect the cause of the vast majority of allergies that present in todays population.
130,000 tons spread over 641,000 square miles is .2 tons per square mile.
Last time I checked, a ton was 2,000 pounds.
That's 405 # of glyphosate per square mile.
Seems like a lot to me.

I also agree that "processed" and "ultra-processed" items are unhealthy & should likely not even be called food.

I also love to add potatoes to my bacon & egg breakfast.
Organic of course.
 

FLDRD

Lifer
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I guess Bayer baked in those costs when they bought Monsanto, I really don't know.
But apparently the fines are less than the profits so carry on.........
Or we could jump straight to the conspiracy theory of having a controllable global food supply that is no longer
self-sustainable...
 

SmokingInTheWind

Part of the Furniture Now
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I like creamed chipped beef on pancakes with a touch of real maple syrup. You get the salty and the sweet together, and of course, a good cup of dark roast coffee.
That sounds good. Maple syrup is wonderful stuff. When my father-in-law was still with us he would make maple syrup every spring, enough for family until the following spring. He boiled the sap down in a big stainless steel pan he had made, over wood fire, then finished it off over gas so he could control it better. It had a little smokiness to it which I liked. I used to put it on most everything instead of sugar. My wife would get mad when she saw me sipping on a shot glass full of maple syrup ha, ha.
 
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WVOldFart

Lifer
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That sounds good. Maple syrup is wonderful stuff. When my father-in-law was still with us he would make maple syrup every spring, enough for family until the following spring. He boiled the sap down in a big stainless steel pan he had made, over wood fire, then finished it off over gas so he could control it better. It had a little smokiness to it which I liked. I used to put it on most everything instead of sugar. My wife would get mad when she saw me sipping on a shot glass full of maple syrup ha, ha.
A friend of mine drinks a glass of milk with some maple syrup stirred in it every night before he goes to bed.
 

VDL_Piper

Lifer
Jun 4, 2021
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What I don't understand is, with several hundred thousand lawsuits and billions paid out in these cases by Monsanto, how can someone think this would be good to apply on food crops?
I’m a farmer and so I will defend what we do and how we do it. Every year farmers around the globe are asked to feed a world with less whilst environmental demands, costs and red tape spiral out of control. We are the bad guys and green movement’s globally use us as the whipping boys to advance their agenda yet despite this we continue on making food. We don’t make a lot of money it’s the multinationals whom we have to sell our produce to that make those super profit, some years we make no money………….none. Imagine doing a job where you get up before the sun every day, work deep into the night for a whole year and actually be in the red at the end of the year and want to line up again next year and try again and again.

What I don’t understand is why the whole world hates farmers yet they stuff their faces every day with our hard work. The day will come and quickly when the shelves will be empty and only then will the world realise what farmers did because right now everyone is to damn comfortable at their dinner table each night.

I’m the first to admit that we have made mistakes over the generations but we do our best to remedy those and as quick as we can but not all those mistakes are ours. Some are created by Government at local, state and Federal level, some are created by the corporate monsters like Bayer and Monsanto, Pfizer ………………I know this because those mistakes affect the very thing that we rely on to try to make a living, the land. People want us to try regenerative farming, wholistic farming, organic farming………the list is long, hell some even want us to stop, maybe we should. If we do your home town dies so let that sink in, Manhattan skylines would disappear. London, Paris, all of Europe would starve within weeks. Oh I hear you say “there’s plenty of food”, well there isn’t, it’s a myth. If the people really new how little there is and how hard it is to produce enough globally there would be riots tomorrow but you all sit there comfortably numb and the best that most do is cast their opinion and even that is sculptured by the green movement, lobbyists, politicians, think tanks, advisory boards and advertising.

I’m a farmer, proud of my families history in agriculture, proud of what we have achieved and very very proud of the fact that the products I produce find there way onto thousands, hundreds of thousands of dinner tables every night and you better believe I’m going to dig my heels in when it comes time to defend what we do.

I apologise for the rant and derailing this thread which is about what we are having for breakfast but I implore you all at the end of every day, stop and think about what you’re eating and who produced it and give us a little Amen.
 

WVOldFart

Lifer
Sep 1, 2021
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Eastern panhandle, WV
I’m a farmer and so I will defend what we do and how we do it. Every year farmers around the globe are asked to feed a world with less whilst environmental demands, costs and red tape spiral out of control. We are the bad guys and green movement’s globally use us as the whipping boys to advance their agenda yet despite this we continue on making food. We don’t make a lot of money it’s the multinationals whom we have to sell our produce to that make those super profit, some years we make no money………….none. Imagine doing a job where you get up before the sun every day, work deep into the night for a whole year and actually be in the red at the end of the year and want to line up again next year and try again and again.

What I don’t understand is why the whole world hates farmers yet they stuff their faces every day with our hard work. The day will come and quickly when the shelves will be empty and only then will the world realise what farmers did because right now everyone is to damn comfortable at their dinner table each night.

I’m the first to admit that we have made mistakes over the generations but we do our best to remedy those and as quick as we can but not all those mistakes are ours. Some are created by Government at local, state and Federal level, some are created by the corporate monsters like Bayer and Monsanto, Pfizer ………………I know this because those mistakes affect the very thing that we rely on to try to make a living, the land. People want us to try regenerative farming, wholistic farming, organic farming………the list is long, hell some even want us to stop, maybe we should. If we do your home town dies so let that sink in, Manhattan skylines would disappear. London, Paris, all of Europe would starve within weeks. Oh I hear you say “there’s plenty of food”, well there isn’t, it’s a myth. If the people really new how little there is and how hard it is to produce enough globally there would be riots tomorrow but you all sit there comfortably numb and the best that most do is cast their opinion and even that is sculptured by the green movement, lobbyists, politicians, think tanks, advisory boards and advertising.

I’m a farmer, proud of my families history in agriculture, proud of what we have achieved and very very proud of the fact that the products I produce find there way onto thousands, hundreds of thousands of dinner tables every night and you better believe I’m going to dig my heels in when it comes time to defend what we do.

I apologise for the rant and derailing this thread which is about what we are having for breakfast but I implore you all at the end of every day, stop and think about what you’re eating and who produced it and give us a little Amen.
I was raised on a dairy farm. My Dad always said that a farmer was the biggest gambler in the world, because he planted seeds in the ground and he gambled every year that that seed would grow and produce a crop. I remember one year he planted a large field of corn just to see it dry up and die due to lack of rain. You gambled that the weather, insects, animals and other disasters didn't ruin things for the year. One fellow was bad mouthing farmers to Dad. Dad asked him what he would eat if it wasn't for farmers. The fellow replied he would just eat spaghetti.
 

Briarcutter

Lifer
Aug 17, 2023
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Some are created by Government at local, state and Federal level, some are created by the corporate monsters like Bayer and Monsanto, Pfizer …………
I'm sorry if you interpreted anything I said as negative towards farmers. I respect and admire farmers and the incredible hours and hard work they put in for growing crops. Especially tobacco farmers😂. I know nothing about farming but I'm guessing you'll use products that are deemed safe by government agency's and the manufacturers. That's where my frustration is, in the manufacturers and government agencies deeming products safe when there is much evidence to the contrary. God Bless our farmers and may justice be served to the liars.
 
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SSGT.

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 7, 2024
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I apologise for the rant and derailing this thread which is about what we are having for breakfast but I implore you all at the end of every day, stop and think about what you’re eating and who produced it and give us a little Amen.
You go Bro. not only do farmers grow the foods not in our own garden that my family consumes they are responsible for better than 85% of my business. I would starve and be broke if not for the American Farm & Ranch Industry.
 

FLDRD

Lifer
Oct 13, 2021
3,088
13,159
Arkansas
I’m a farmer and so I will defend what we do and how we do it. Every year farmers around the globe are asked to feed a world with less whilst environmental demands, costs and red tape spiral out of control. We are the bad guys and green movement’s globally use us as the whipping boys to advance their agenda yet despite this we continue on making food. We don’t make a lot of money it’s the multinationals whom we have to sell our produce to that make those super profit, some years we make no money………….none. Imagine doing a job where you get up before the sun every day, work deep into the night for a whole year and actually be in the red at the end of the year and want to line up again next year and try again and again.

What I don’t understand is why the whole world hates farmers yet they stuff their faces every day with our hard work. The day will come and quickly when the shelves will be empty and only then will the world realise what farmers did because right now everyone is to damn comfortable at their dinner table each night.

I’m the first to admit that we have made mistakes over the generations but we do our best to remedy those and as quick as we can but not all those mistakes are ours. Some are created by Government at local, state and Federal level, some are created by the corporate monsters like Bayer and Monsanto, Pfizer ………………I know this because those mistakes affect the very thing that we rely on to try to make a living, the land. People want us to try regenerative farming, wholistic farming, organic farming………the list is long, hell some even want us to stop, maybe we should. If we do your home town dies so let that sink in, Manhattan skylines would disappear. London, Paris, all of Europe would starve within weeks. Oh I hear you say “there’s plenty of food”, well there isn’t, it’s a myth. If the people really new how little there is and how hard it is to produce enough globally there would be riots tomorrow but you all sit there comfortably numb and the best that most do is cast their opinion and even that is sculptured by the green movement, lobbyists, politicians, think tanks, advisory boards and advertising.

I’m a farmer, proud of my families history in agriculture, proud of what we have achieved and very very proud of the fact that the products I produce find there way onto thousands, hundreds of thousands of dinner tables every night and you better believe I’m going to dig my heels in when it comes time to defend what we do.

I apologise for the rant and derailing this thread which is about what we are having for breakfast but I implore you all at the end of every day, stop and think about what you’re eating and who produced it and give us a little Amen.
I think you have mis-interpreted at least some of the comments and have taken them personally. I get it. If I were in your shoes, I may feel and respond exactly in the same manner.
For the record, I am regularly and consciously appreciative of farmers and ranchers, (and many other labor intensive professions) and admire them as some of the greatest human beings on earth. Seriously.
However, that admiration, appreciation and respect does not preclude me from being critical and skeptical of products they may or may not use, and practices they may or may not be forced into utilizing. That is not personal. It is a desire to see practices where best results are achieved for both producer, consumer, and the earth systems that are relied upon. I think one of the greatest tragedies of our time is the elimination of the family farms that once built the Agrarian society that was envisioned for the greatness of America (and the same would apply to other nations as well).
My comments are definitely not an attack on you, simply an observation of the system as I see it.
How do I contribute to the solutions?
I do what I can to buy local eggs, meat, vegetables, etc. I spend some of my time and efforts planting and growing fruit trees, some vegetables and herbs. I have not placed a drop of insecticide, herbicide, or similar on my property or plants in the 10 years I've owned it. I pay the extra $ to purchase organic products so that I can contribute to the extra efforts those practices seem to require.
Is it "enough"? No, it doesn't entirely offset my need for acquisition from larger entities or from across boundaries further away, but I feel I'm doing what I can at this stage.
Just because I can acknowledge that glyphosate destroys health and causes cancer does NOT mean I don't respect and appreciate the efforts of individuals just like YOU that support the rest of us every single day.
And I had local / backyard / organic eggs with my breakfast this morning.........................
 

condorlover1

Lifer
Dec 22, 2013
8,804
32,094
New York
For me breakfast has to be beans. Preferably 15 bean stew properly soaked with the bean water recycled into the beans. It needs a little ham hock or beacon and needs to be cooked over night in crock using chicken stock so it is reduced down to a soupy consistency. With a fried egg this is a truly perfect breakfast which can only be beaten by either Turnip or Mustard Greens slow cooked over night. In my humble opinion the Souths greatest food contribution to civilization. Tomorrow I will be enjoying this and then taking the subway into NYC, which I shall enjoy but my fellow passengers may not! rotf