What triggered the FDA changes?

[bedinarose]

What caused the FDA to focus on pipe tobacco? I can see cigars like the Acid brand.

 

[andrew]

I believe Phillip Morris lobbied the industry.

 

[mso489]

I don't think it was all one thing, but I agree with Andy that the big push came as a corporate play. FDA, in my opinion, isn't a particularly ambitious nor aggressive agency; it can let issues sit for many years. Perhaps the vape trend attracted attention and raised questions. Big tobacco still has the lobby and contacts to push something like this along.

 

[pipesmokingtom]

Vape was the target. They had to include cigars and pipes so no one could cry about 'fairness'.
Vape is a new fangled thing that the old fogies didn't understand or enjoy themselves. Since it was bringing people pleasure, they had to find a way to squash it.

 

[pipesmokingtom]

So they sat around for a few days waxing intellectual about the dangers of nicotine to our children, whilst hypocritically sucking down their caffeine-filled Starbucks coffees and poof! A whole bunch of new regulations to threaten the jobs of thousands and diminish the pleasure of a niche group of pipe smokers!

 

[mso489]

Apparently the big tobacco corps didn't get in on the vape trend and decided it was eating into their revenue stream, so that's where they came in. If it had been the public health establishment, they would have launched six studies and gotten back to us in 2040.

 

[jpmcwjr]

Tom--
Your cynicism is......
Well stated and appropriate.

 

[philobeddoe]

As has been stated above, the target was VAPING. In just a few years big tobacco has lost a lot of customers that have dropped cigarettes entirely or cut way back and cranked the vape juice way up, vape juice not marketed and wholly controlled by big tobacco. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

 

[pipesmokingtom]

And since our society is obsessed with abstinence and refuses to acknowledge the value of harm reduction, any benefit of switching to vaping or smoking pipes from cigarettes is wholly ignored. Babies and bathwaters.
Since cig manufacturers know the public is easily manipulated, all they need to do is point out that the "full dangers" of vaping et. al. aren't understood, vilify the products, and they're back to being the only game in town. At least we KNOW that cigs will kill us.
The unknown, even if it's no doubt less dangerous, is somehow scarier than that.

 

[tuold]

I tend to be even more cynical than most. One of the tenants of The Life of a Bureaucracy is, "If the budget can be expanded to serve my department or agency, then it will be expanded." To justify that premise, the bureaucracy constantly has to be expanding its purview. and growing its influence.
In case you are wondering what the final stage is:

At some point, the mission of the bureaucracy is completely lost, and the citizens' patience with institutional incompetence and self-aggrandizement finally runs out.

I can hardly wait. :roll:

 

[bedinarose]

I have a nephew that "vapes" he looks like a locomotive, a huge cloud when he exhales, it's comical.

 

[perdurabo]

The FDA. Short Honest Answer

 

[judcole]

This is all pursuant to the Family Smoking Prevention and Control Act,which was passed in 2009. I believe (although I may be wrong) that it was also that act that allowed the Feds to go after the RYO folks.

The Tobacco Control Act has been called "the Marlboro Protection Act" because it grandfathered in tobacco products marketed before 2007, while erecting nearly impassable financial and regulatory barriers for the introduction of competing products to the US market.

FSPTCA - Wikipedia

 

[pagan]

Our current administration trying to "fundamentally change America" by removing any image of wholesome American living (picture Ozzy and Harriet), and the continuing femininzation of the American male

 

[perdurabo]

Mold

 

[perdurabo]

In fact the mold issue is so bad, the mods close down threads about A Certain Company( one I adore) in the name of protection, that's not free market. If a company is having an issue with their product, what better place to hold them accountable. Pipesmagazine.com- Forums Respectively! WTF

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Be careful Perduraba. We are in Kevin's house. This isn't a street corner. The owner of the house has free reign to stop a conversation.

 

[perdurabo]

True, Cosmic, very true. I got to thinking, there may be a rule where bashing a brand is not going to accepted. Reviewing is fine, but throwing folks under the bus is a no no. My apologies Kevin.

 

[perdurabo]

Top it off, I broke rule 11.

 

[phil67]

It's all quite simple what got this whole ball of shit rolling with the FDA: big cigarette companies {Phillip Morris} and e-cigarettes. Regretfully, cigars and pipe tobacco simply got sucked into the vacuum of the FDA idiocy. If it were not for the e-cigarettes and their perceived threat to the big cigarette companies none of this would have ever transpired.