What Pipe Shape is This??

[romaso]

While trying to research who Capt Warren was, I ran into this statement:

"Leonardo Da Vinci invented a double-walled briar pipe, cooled by the air that circulated in the air space."
Source: Sandblasted briar pipe model Capt Warren line Historica by Ser Jacopo (tabaccheriatoto13.com)

Anyone know if this is true? They weren't using briar then (that I know of) but he invented so much neat stuff, maybe there's a basis? Was Leo a pipe smoker (kinda early)?

 

[sablebrush52]

While trying to research who Capt Warren was, I ran into this statement:

"Leonardo Da Vinci invented a double-walled briar pipe, cooled by the air that circulated in the air space."
Source: Sandblasted briar pipe model Capt Warren line Historica by Ser Jacopo (tabaccheriatoto13.com)

Anyone know if this is true? They weren't using briar then (that I know of) but he invented so much neat stuff, maybe there's a basis? Was Leo a pipe smoker (kinda early)?

Every time I believe I have encountered the lowest form of pipe related stupidity I get reminded that I ain't seen nothing yet.

Leonardo da Vinci croaked out in 1519.

Briar wasn't adopted as a material for the fabrication of smoking pipes until the late 1830's at the earliest, and more likely the 1840's.

So unless someone dragged Leo's rotting corpse out of his tomb in the Collegiate Church of Saint Florentine at the Chateau d'Amboise, reanimated it and set it to work over three hundred years after his death, it is unlikely that the story is true in the way that it is presented.

It's entirely possible that Leonardo created a design for a heat insulated pipe, but that doesn't mean it was a smoking pipe, and it certainly wasn't briar.

 

[kcghost]

I was going to say it looked like a hawkbill with some interpretation by the carver but the evidence says it is a Captain Warren.

 

[StPaulPiper]

In the 1895 Harrods catalogue the shape is a "Captain Warren"

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There's a more recent example at Smoking Metal

CAPT WARREN

I'm afraid I have no information on Captain Warren himself.

Wow - that's it, exactly! Thanks for all your input on this. Now I know. Very cool.

 

[virkia]

While trying to research who Capt Warren was, I ran into this statement:

"Leonardo Da Vinci invented a double-walled briar pipe, cooled by the air that circulated in the air space."
Source: Sandblasted briar pipe model Capt Warren line Historica by Ser Jacopo (tabaccheriatoto13.com)

Anyone know if this is true? They weren't using briar then (that I know of) but he invented so much neat stuff, maybe there's a basis? Was Leo a pipe smoker (kinda early)?

Don't know about the Leonardo da Vinci connection - as far as I'm aware the double-walled pipe was a third quarter 19th century invention seen on meerschaums w/ meerschaum screw bowls - an example is in the Harrods 1895 catalogue - as well as briars w/ meerschaum screw bowls ...

A few examples from the period - an 1884 Bulldog and a couple of slightly later unbranded examples ...


... and an 1896 Bott & Turner patent


A similar arrangement can be seen on clay pipes w/ push bowls instead of screw which is also an arrangement seen on Calabash pipes


A later style with a 'cooling air chamber' was the Dadson patent pipe ...


... which was one of many iterations of same with 'cooling reservoir' in different materials including metal such as the Falcon with screw bowls made of meerschaum, briar and a combination of the two.

Speaking about double-walled pipes one mustn't overlook the Dutch enamelled clay Baronite by Goedewaagen




Pipes have been around for thousands of years, reportedly going back to circa 5000BC
These two more recent examples are Graeco/Roman (332BC - 395AD)

 

[StPaulPiper]

How about a photo from the top? Does the meerschaum insert come out? Is there a chamber below like a calabash?

Nice pipe and great restoration work! Is that an amber stem? Wow, great find!

Yes, the meer insert does unscrew, with a large chamber beneath. This is a "before" picture. It's much, much cleaner now. It was a challenge getting the gunk out of the threads. No, not an amber stem - hot smell test failed and salt float failed. Disappointing, but overall, I still love this thing.

 

[gamzultovah]

Don't know about the Leonardo da Vinci connection - as far as I'm aware the double-walled pipe was a third quarter 19th century invention seen on meerschaums w/ meerschaum screw bowls - an example is in the Harrods 1895 catalogue - as well as briars w/ meerschaum screw bowls ...

A few examples from the period - an 1884 Bulldog and a couple of slightly later unbranded examples ...
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... and an 1896 Bott & Turner patent
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A similar arrangement can be seen on clay pipes w/ push bowls instead of screw which is also an arrangement seen on Calabash pipes
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A later style with a 'cooling air chamber' was the Dadson patent pipe ...
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... which was one of many iterations of same with 'cooling reservoir' in different materials including metal such as the Falcon with screw bowls made of meerschaum, briar and a combination of the two.

Speaking about double-walled pipes one mustn't overlook the Dutch enamelled clay Baronite by Goedewaagen
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Pipes have been around for thousands of years, reportedly going back to circa 5000BC
These two more recent examples are Graeco/Roman (332BC - 395AD)
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A great wealth of knowledge. Thanks @virkia.

 

[jpmcwjr]

Every time I believe I have encountered the lowest form of pipe related stupidity I get reminded that I ain't seen nothing yet.

Leonardo da Vinci croaked out in 1519.

Briar wasn't adopted as a material for the fabrication of smoking pipes until the late 1830's at the earliest, and more likely the 1840's.

So unless someone dragged Leo's rotting corpse out of his tomb in the Collegiate Church of Saint Florentine at the Chateau d'Amboise, reanimated it and set it to work over three hundred years after his death, it is unlikely that the story is true in the way that it is presented.

It's entirely possible that Leonardo created a design for a heat insulated pipe, but that doesn't mean it was a smoking pipe, and it certainly wasn't briar.

So, he must've meant Leonardo di Caprio.....

 

[virkia]

So, he must've meant Leonardo di Caprio.....

I think the original source must've been this page Leonardo Da Vinci's Pipe - http://www.lookoutnow.com/3d/3d11.htm
"next fantasy" near the bottom of the page is a bit of a clue as to the worthiness of the article.

 

[romaso]

This Ser Jacapo listing states:
"Original project by Leonardo Da Vinci," and
"Leonardo Da Vinci invented a double-walled briar pipe, cooled by the air that circulated in the air space." and
"Ser Jacopo has created the Leonardo Da Vinci project with the pipe line with extractable stove, improving smoking."
Sandblasted briar pipe model Capt Warren line Historica by Ser Jacopo (tabaccheriatoto13.com)

 

[romaso]

Pipes have been around for thousands of years, reportedly going back to circa 5000BC
These two more recent examples are Graeco/Roman (332BC - 395AD)
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Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge. Do you know what would have been smoked in those Graeco/Roman (332BC - 395AD) pipes?

I remember reading that the Celts had metal pipes they smoked herbs in, but the article didn't mention what herbs.

This place used to sell American Indian based blends, called kinnickinnick, before the laws changed. They sell a bunch of herb and botanicals individually now:
Native American Pipes- Native American Herbs- Mountain Man Pipes- Pipestone Pipes (crazycrow.com)

Do you happen to know who Captain Warren was? Maybe he was a real person like Sir Thomas Cavendish.

 

[romaso]

So, he must've meant Leonardo di Caprio.....

I think the original source must've been this page Leonardo Da Vinci's Pipe - http://www.lookoutnow.com/3d/3d11.htm
"next fantasy" near the bottom of the page is a bit of a clue as to the worthiness of the article.

This Ser Jacapo listing states:
"Original project by Leonardo Da Vinci," and
"Leonardo Da Vinci invented a double-walled briar pipe, cooled by the air that circulated in the air space." and
"Ser Jacopo has created the Leonardo Da Vinci project with the pipe line with extractable stove, improving smoking."
Source:
Sandblasted briar pipe model Capt Warren line Historica by Ser Jacopo (tabaccheriatoto13.com)

Maybe the Italians know something we don't?

 

[virkia]

Do you happen to know who Captain Warren was? Maybe he was a real person like Sir Thomas Cavendish.

According to the Amsterdam Pipe Museum Captain Warren was possibly Captain Charles Warren (1840-1927), a noted English archaeologist of the era who carried out excavations in Jerusalem between 1867-1870. There he discovered a water system near Temple Mount, later named "Warren’s Shaft” in his honour.

"The description mentions "Pipe Santé (Health Pipe) Capne. Warren" with the addition of the format: "Gde." for large, "Moyenne gde" for middle and "Petite" for the smallest version. Captain Warren most likely refers to the English archaeologist Charles Warren, who carried out excavations in Jerusalem during that period. Whether he became known for smoking hygienic pipes is still a question, just as we know nothing about the technical details of the Gisclon pipe that has never been recovered until today."
Source: Amsterdam Pipe Museum - Article The diamond pipe by Goedewaagen, a remarkable hollow bowl design - https://pipemuseum.nl/en/article/de-diamantpijp-van-goedewaagen-een-opmerkelijk-vormgegeven-holwandige-pijp

It would be very cool to find even one photo of Captain Warren with a pipe, even better a "Health Pipe" to tie it all together

 

[romaso]

@virkia Thanks for the info on Capt Warren. I've always wanted to go to the Amsterdam Pipe Museum. Luckily I had a friend who visited the city and he picked up their book on their collection for me. Interesting stuff!