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docaitch

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I just acquired a W O Larsen pipe which is obviously not a Stanwell era pipe. I know nothing about W O Larsens beyond a Pipedia article and a thread that I reviewed here about an unsmoked grade6 pipe. I obtained this pipe in a trade and as I cleaned it up, it became obvious to me that it is a much better pipe than the couple of Stanwell era Larsens that I have.25BB1163-BC63-4188-A7A3-189E8B8EDF2D.jpeg
Horn shank extension with brass reinforcement
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Underside of shank “W O Larsen” “Hand made” “Made in Denmark”
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Top of shank- “Select”
I would appreciate your thoughts on the possible makers and its rough value.
I paid a ridiculously low price, not really thinking about it, because I was more interested in some Dunhills in the same swap (another pipe and cash), but since this guy is a friend, I plan to increase the compensation.
Thanks
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dmcmtk

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The short version, from Rob Cooper:

"There were three periods of pipe craftsmanship that took place during the tenure of Ole Larsen's ownership and stewardship of the Larsen name.

The first period, or the "Copenhagen Era" (Very early 1960's to the early 1970's) (The pipes were stamped "Larsen (over) Copenhagen") are the ones that have dominated my pipe collection. They are the pipes that were crafted by Poul Rasmussen (the former husband of Anne Julie), Sven Knudsen (Teddy's older brother and mentor), and Hans "Former" Nielsen (when he was just a youngster!). These pipes were produced in two series - numbered standard shapes and one of a kind "Straight Grain" handmade freehands. The pipes of this era were crafted from Algerian briar, according to my friend Former Nielsen (he would know!). There were even two series of the numbered pipes, as the production facility suffered a fire and the master shapes had to be re-carved! The "Straight Grain" pipes were typically stamped from F, then 1 to 6 in ascending grade order. There were no "Pearls" crafted at this time. The highest grades were stamped as high as an "8", but these were extremely rare. The stamping grades of from this era were much more stringent than in later times. The majority of the "Straight Grain" pipes from this era were finished in a light to medium natural stain. Most shank adornments were crafted from buffalo horn of a lighter color. These "Copenhagen" era pipes are considered by pipe collectors around the world as the most desirable, as these are prime examples of mid century modern Danish design that were crafted by the early masters of the pipe making art. These are the most organic looking and the most important as far market desirability is concerned.

The second period (Mid 1970's to the mid to late 1980's) is the most famous period, as this is the era of Teddy Knudsen, Tonni Nielsen, and Former Nielsen, along with the occasional pipe crafted by Jess Chonowitsch, Peter Hedegaard, PH Vigen, and a few others. These pipes were stamped "Larsen Hand Made in Denmark" with no "Copenhagen" stamping. The staining of the bowls were more varied than the era before. The pipes crafted during this time began to show a more refined shaping, and the use of adornment materials expanded from lighter colored horn to now a darker color, bamboo, ivory, amber composite both for trim and stem work, and later in this period, some exotic hardwood for the trim, as Ole had explained to me that ivory was not as stable on airplane shipping and would sometimes arrive cracked. The pipes of this era are the most commonly found."

 

docaitch

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Thanks, that is somewhat helpful. I have been steered to a gentleman named Per Bilhall on a Danish pipe forum. I will try to contact him.
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mso489

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Good photos of that pipe. I don't know any history on it. It is a virtuoso work of craftsmanship, really elegant merging of materials and shaping. The price on that, I'd guess, would depend on finding the collectors. It looks like it would be a substantial addition to someone's collection and be worth a lot more to them than just on the open market.
 
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docaitch

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Good photos of that pipe. I don't know any history on it. It is a virtuoso work of craftsmanship, really elegant merging of materials and shaping. The price on that, I'd guess, would depend on finding the collectors. It looks like it would be a substantial addition to someone's collection and be worth a lot more to them than just on the open market.
I am not looking to sell it, just want to get a ballpark on value to make the seller more fair exchange. He is a friend and I don’t wish to take advantage of our ignorance. I had no idea that this might be a collectable until I handled it to clean it up. It was part of a multi pipe cash and pipe exchange, and the seller was unaware of its potential collectable status
I am also a pipe maker and the exchange was initiated by my friend who coveted a pipe that I had made, so when I arrive at the value ball park, he gets his choice from my production.
This pipe was the one I made that he traded for..
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dmcmtk

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Short answer, as someone who collects Larsen pipes, not "collectable", or to put it another way I'd pass on it if I saw it for sale. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder; however, if it were on ebay, maybe $100 on a good day tops. The whole extension, brass ring, stem setup to my eye raises some questions.
 
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docaitch

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Short answer, as someone who collects Larsen pipes, not "collectable", or to put it another way I'd pass on it if I saw it for sale. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder; however, if it were on ebay, maybe $100 on a good day tops. The whole extension, brass ring, stem setup to my eye raises some questions.
How so? The light horn shank extensions were used, as your quote from Rob Cooper states and as my perusal of several catalogs on the Scandpipes.com site confirms.
I am pretty sure that the horn and ring are original, because the imprint top and bottom is pristine, so I am not sure where you are coming from- personal taste-OK, something else- please fill me in.
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dmcmtk

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How so? The light horn shank extensions were used, as your quote from Rob Cooper states and as my perusal of several catalogs on the Scandpipes.com site confirms.
I am pretty sure that the horn and ring are original, because the imprint top and bottom is pristine, so I am not sure where you are coming from- personal taste-OK, something else- please fill me in.
docaitch

Yes the horn is not unusual. It was often, but i'm sure not exclusively, used for military mounts. The thing that is throwing me is the brass ring detail (because I don't believe I've seen it before). I'd like to see the button and the slot on that stem. The other thing, in my mind, is the length of the extension. To my eye it looks too long, and slightly out of proportion given the length of the shank (I would expect a shorter extension). Again, I'm just going by the pipes I've seen, and own.

Here are a few that I would consider collectable (just to show I'm not blowing smoke) :)

W.O. Larsen Pearl :: Pipe Repair and Maintenance - https://pipesmagazine.com/forums/threads/w-o-larsen-pearl.76248/

Larsen Copenhagen 120 Straight Grain 7 :: Pipe Talk - https://pipesmagazine.com/forums/threads/larsen-copenhagen-120-straight-grain-7.72283/
 
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docaitch

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OK- I can see why those pipes are collectable, and my pipe is a lower grade one.
Can’t really see your point on the length of the extension or the brass reinforcement, though. I will get out the calipers and do some calculations on both my pipe and the photos.
I can say that as a pipe maker and someone who does the occasional repair, both the horn and the ring are original, IMHO.
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dmcmtk

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I thought of another question since my last post. Does the tenon fit into an extension of the brass ring I see in the pictures, or does it fit directly into the horn? With the stem off, looking down the mortise/airway can you see a stainless steel tube used to connect the horn extension to the shank?
 

docaitch

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I can’t say the same for the stem- it could be a replacement, but very well done.
I also have to confess that it is my habit to straighten the stem and open up the funnel on any pipe that I acquire so that it easily passes a fluffy cleaner, and I did so with this one.
I don’t know if these photos will assist you.
The stem has obviously been cleaned and buffed several times in the past.82C8B272-C969-4424-B51F-9435B94A6FAE.jpeg
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docaitch

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I didn’t really look down the mortise, and the pipe is too warm to disassemble right now because I’ve been smoking it.?
When it cools, I will take a look.
 
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docaitch

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This is the inside of the mortise. There is a tube (stainless I presume) and the inner surface of the mortise appears to be horn.B6168E44-0AB4-44CE-9C52-6FE6F47786BA.jpeg
 
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dmcmtk

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If the tenon fits into the horn with no reinforcement, I'd say that's a little unusual...though those sufaces look very dark to me. All of the Larsen pipes I have with horn extensions are reinforced. An example, shape 18.

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No matter what, smoke it and enjoy it!
 

docaitch

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I heard from Per Billhall.
“probably not made by Teddy or Tonni, and doesn’t look like a Refbjerg either mmmm maybe P.H. Vigen?“
Now, I have to see who Vigen is.
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dmcmtk

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Sorry, I missed yor last few posts.

“probably not made by Teddy or Tonni, and doesn’t look like a Refbjerg either..."

I would agree with that assessment. Stylistically, to my eye, nothing really stands out about the stummel or the stem. One must remember besides the better known names, Larsen had others working there over the years. Some pipes it's easy to make an educated guess, but on this one I've got nothing.
 
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