Very strange Kaywoodie on ebay
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I would really like to believe it is some weird KBB experiment that never saw the light of day..... but the evidence from the pictures shown says this is made in Hong Kong and some joker got his hands on a KBB stamp.... If thats the case I think it will pay to watch "Old" Kaywoodies very closely in the future.
So here is a little dialogue with this guy about this pipe. I dont get why he needs me to email him, but it seems that he knows more about kaywoodies than anybody else so we must be wrong, even though as i said before that o rings were not invented yet. Interesting.
Dear mr.can.,
So where did you find such a unique pipe, give me some back story. I like to know some history before buying.
- shaintiques
Dear shaintiques,
First, I do not type and run my computer with a voice program that does not work on eBay. Answering questions in this format is difficult. I do so very slowly and only after my e-mails are answered. Hunting and pecking takes too long!
Second, your question is not one that I can answer quickly or easily. I have collected Kaywoodies for nearly 50 years and probably know more about Kaywoodie's than anybody else. I am happy to share what Iknow.
Third, eBay limits the number of characters I can type so this response is necessarily brief. I will come close to their 2000 limit.
Dating this pipe is easy. We know when the club was used without an ampersand. But what material was used at that time is a question.
I have done considerable research on the non-briar materials KB&B and Kaywoodie used dating back to the late 1800s. We know about Redmanol, Amber, Bakelite, Brylon and others. But I have always been curious and pursued these pipes. I have used them for display, research and investigation. This pipe was particularly intriguing because of the filter. I have never seen it on another KB&B. But it is similar to the Comoy Grand Slam filter and I deliberately listed a Grand Slam you should look at to read about Comoy's connection with Kaywoodie. I am hoping someone links this filter to Comoy!
I have owned the pipe for many years but the prior history is unknown. The pipe does not appear in any of the many catalogs I have. If you write me at my e-mail address I would be happy to answer further questions.
And, if you collect KB&Bs and/or Kaywoodie's, we should stay in touch! I have many great ones!
Thank you.
Tony (mr.can.)
- mr.can.
Dear mr.can.,
So where did you find such a unique pipe, give me some back story. I like to know some history before buying.
- shaintiques
Dear shaintiques,
First, I do not type and run my computer with a voice program that does not work on eBay. Answering questions in this format is difficult. I do so very slowly and only after my e-mails are answered. Hunting and pecking takes too long!
Second, your question is not one that I can answer quickly or easily. I have collected Kaywoodies for nearly 50 years and probably know more about Kaywoodie's than anybody else. I am happy to share what Iknow.
Third, eBay limits the number of characters I can type so this response is necessarily brief. I will come close to their 2000 limit.
Dating this pipe is easy. We know when the club was used without an ampersand. But what material was used at that time is a question.
I have done considerable research on the non-briar materials KB&B and Kaywoodie used dating back to the late 1800s. We know about Redmanol, Amber, Bakelite, Brylon and others. But I have always been curious and pursued these pipes. I have used them for display, research and investigation. This pipe was particularly intriguing because of the filter. I have never seen it on another KB&B. But it is similar to the Comoy Grand Slam filter and I deliberately listed a Grand Slam you should look at to read about Comoy's connection with Kaywoodie. I am hoping someone links this filter to Comoy!
I have owned the pipe for many years but the prior history is unknown. The pipe does not appear in any of the many catalogs I have. If you write me at my e-mail address I would be happy to answer further questions.
And, if you collect KB&Bs and/or Kaywoodie's, we should stay in touch! I have many great ones!
Thank you.
Tony (mr.can.)
- mr.can.
This is my response
Thanks for your reply, Im having some difficulty believing the pipe is that old especially since orings were not invented until 1936. It looks like a cheap piece of chinese junk to me. Im not saying you are misrepresenting your products, as i have watched you sell many nice pipes, but i think you need to re-evaluate this one based on materials and technology. I dont give out my email, sorry if the ebay message system holds you back. I am not trying to insult you, but think you should be careful to not alienate yourself from real pipe buyers.
Thanks for your reply, Im having some difficulty believing the pipe is that old especially since orings were not invented until 1936. It looks like a cheap piece of chinese junk to me. Im not saying you are misrepresenting your products, as i have watched you sell many nice pipes, but i think you need to re-evaluate this one based on materials and technology. I dont give out my email, sorry if the ebay message system holds you back. I am not trying to insult you, but think you should be careful to not alienate yourself from real pipe buyers.
I think you guys are jumping the gun a bit. If you ever had a chance to visit Bill F III at the Peekskill headquarters, you'd see lots of stuff that would make you scratch your head.
Keep in mind, KB&B made many one-offs, and prototypes with many companies, this is by no means the strangest one I've seen.
Keep in mind, KB&B made many one-offs, and prototypes with many companies, this is by no means the strangest one I've seen.
Jpberg, I really want to agree with you. Theres been a lot of goofy oddball pipes made over the years. There is the possibility this was made by Kaywoodie, but it seriously looks EXACTLY like a "Fengshun Durable Tobacco Pipe" from Hong Kong.... when I say exactly, I mean the same shape, same color, same metal band on the shank, same details, same everything except one says KBB.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/15cm-Fengshun-Durable-Tobacco-Pipe-Outstanding-Quality-/130690123675?pt=UK_Collectables_Tobacciana_Smoking_LE&hash=item1e6dbd079b
I'm not really accusing the seller of being misleading, but perhaps mislead.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/15cm-Fengshun-Durable-Tobacco-Pipe-Outstanding-Quality-/130690123675?pt=UK_Collectables_Tobacciana_Smoking_LE&hash=item1e6dbd079b
I'm not really accusing the seller of being misleading, but perhaps mislead.
I sent him the same link I posted here, and I sent him a link to this thread. I hate the idea of badmouthing someone who may be 100% innocent without giving them a chance to listen in or respond.
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