Vacuum Sealing?

[r4wk5t4r]

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Hi guys and gals. Just purchased a food saver to help preserve/age/store tins of the good stuff.

Question is, do you that do this at home vaccum seal everything? Or just loose seal? Or a mix?

I’ve heard vacuum seal aro’s and just regular seal stuff I want to still age. Thoughts? Experience? Thanks!

 

[Chasing Embers]

Question is, do you that do this at home vaccum seal everything? Or just loose seal? Or a mix?

Never vacuum sealed any of it.

I’ve heard vacuum seal aro’s and just regular seal stuff I want to still age.

No need. Aromatics don't change much when jarred. I've got Altadis, now Sutliff, Chocolate Truffle from 2010 that still tastes like the new stuff.

 

[r4wk5t4r]

No need. Aromatics don't change much when jarred. I've got Altadis, now Sutliff, Chocolate Truffle from 2010 that still tastes like the new stuff.

My goal is not to jar. I’d like to keep things in original tins.

 

[Chasing Embers]

My goal is not to jar. I’d like to keep things in original tins.

Those are already sealed or are you referring to opening and resealing?

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

I wouldn't vacuum seal my stuff were I using that approach. Air/oxygen is needed in the aerobic chemical aging. Others will likely think different.

 

[r4wk5t4r]

Those are already sealed or are you referring to opening and resealing?

No I want to take factory sealed tins and bags and ensure their longterm viability. For example, I have a sealed package of Folklore. It appears to be in a vacuum packed bag from the factory, but I can aboslutely smell it, telling me air is passing. I also know square or rectangle tins like those from SG are notorious for losing their seal. I don't want that to happen stored away in my closet so I'd like to bag them to preserve them. I just have also heard that if I vacuum pack them, they stop aging due to the removal of any air.

 

[r4wk5t4r]

I wouldn't vacuum seal my stuff were I using that approach. Air/oxygen is needed in the aerobic chemical aging. Others will likely think different.

This is what I've heard so far for traditional blends, but I've also heard that aro's lose their casing/flavor over time while "aging."

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

This is what I've heard so far for traditional blends, but I've also heard that aro's lose their casing/flavor over time while "aging."

If the package is sealed,where would the flavor go? With that said, not sure most aromatics benefit much from aging anyway so I'm not sure it really matters.

 

[r4wk5t4r]

If the package is sealed,where would the flavor go? With that said, not sure most aromatics benefit much from aging anyway so I'm not sure it really matters.

don't know. That's just what I've heard, that the casing flavor dissapates over time, even if left in original sealed packaging.

 

[Chasing Embers]

That's just what I've heard, that the casing flavor dissapates over time, even if left in original sealed packaging.

Not true at all, sounds like youtube. A bigger concern would be tins rusting over time. They're really not made for long term storage.

 

[Ahi Ka]

I use a vacuum sealer. Both for stuff already in tins, and for bulk. The main reason I purchased it is for homegrown plugs. I’m not sure whether I would have used one otherwise.

The most important thing is the bag you intend on using. This is irregardless of whether you are vacuum sealing or only heat sealing - which you can do with an iron or hair straightner etc anyways.

Get 7mil Mylar or if wanting to vacuum seal then some quality multi channel bags.

be aware that vacuum sealing tins can cause their factory seal to break.

there are plenty in threads on here where people share different experiences (alongside healthy banter) with using bags instead of jars.

and in light of that, I triple vacuumed bag all my 1Q so it didn’t stink out my rubbish bin ?

 

[captpat]

Luckily I've not experienced any tins loosing their seal to rust, so I don't vacuum pack them as a rule. I will break down bulk tobacco to smaller quantities, say 2 oz. and seal those in mylar bags. Some Solani tins are not designed for long term storage, so those contents get moved to mylar bags as well. I use my vacuum sealer mostly to seal the bags I do not pull a vacuum on the bags prior to sealing like one might do when sealing food.

Regular plastic bags are not recommended for long term tobacco storage as the leak. Recommend using mylar bags for better results.

 

[sablebrush52]

Hi guys and gals. Just purchased a food saver to help preserve/age/store tins of the good stuff.

Question is, do you that do this at home vaccum seal everything? Or just loose seal? Or a mix?

I’ve heard vacuum seal aro’s and just regular seal stuff I want to still age. Thoughts? Experience? Thanks!

Here's an article from Greg Pease's site that deals with the subject of your post:

G. L. Pease - Articles & Essays

If your horizon line for aging is 10 years or less, most tins may hold up. Some tins will fail, most likely the rectangular and square tins, as their seals are not supported evenly around their perimeter and they are very slowly leaking from the moment they're sealed. Also, depending on conditions they may rot out from the inside or the outside over time. If you're planning on more than 10 years, tins get more dicey. Besides, the newer tins are not as heavy gauge as was in service years ago.

It's interesting that Greg changed his stance on long term aging from keeping it in the tin to jarring for the long haul.

If your interest is in retarding aging, then the above referenced article about vacuum sealing may be of interest to you.

I either jar, or seal in Mylar, most of my cellar. For example, all of the Haddo's Delight that I have went into jars after I found that the tins didn't hold up worth a damn.

I do still have a lot in tins, and will be focusing on smoking these as they're entering the danger zone for longevity.

 

[pantsBoots]

If the package is sealed,where would the flavor go? With that said, not sure most aromatics benefit much from aging anyway so I'm not sure it really matters.

It would denature

 

[sablebrush52]

It would denature

Yep. Toppings fade over time. But sometimes last a couple of decades. Mostly not.

 

[Mr_houston]

I do some vacuum and some not. I just did a light vacuum on so S. gawith tins with my food saver. I’ve done some hard vacuums on some loose tobacco to try to get something like a plug.

A couple of tips:

• You should seal twice with the FoodSavers on the same line to insure the seal. Then I do the same on a second line as backup
• Mylar bags won’t vacuum on their own. Place a strip of one of the regular channeled vacuum bags inside and just hanging out of the Mylar. Then it will vacuum and seal fine.

 

[fightnhampster]

No I want to take factory sealed tins and bags and ensure their longterm viability. For example, I have a sealed package of Folklore. It appears to be in a vacuum packed bag from the factory, but I can aboslutely smell it, telling me air is passing. I also know square or rectangle tins like those from SG are notorious for losing their seal. I don't want that to happen stored away in my closet so I'd like to bag them to preserve them. I just have also heard that if I vacuum pack them, they stop aging due to the removal of any air.

I seal up blends in tins that are like SG tins and those that come from manufacturers in mylar bags (KBV blends). For the mylar I do not open them, but put the sealed bag in another vaccum seal bag

Blends in bags have been known to get small holes in them from creases.

Most of my stuff is C&D or Pease which are the pull top blends. Those I leave alone.