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bphilli75

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 27, 2013
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This one is made by Ted Haviland. He has Bear's Den Pipes. My wife picked it up for me at Just For Him in Springfield, MO. I'm not certain if this would be considered more of a pot shape than a billiard, so I'd be interested in your thoughts. They don't have any of his pipes on their site at the moment, but I really like this blast. It smokes great, and the price was very affordable.


 

bigvan

Lifer
Mar 22, 2011
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Bill, it's hard to tell from the photo, but is that blasted or rusticated?

 

bphilli75

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 27, 2013
246
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Here you go Bigvan. This pic shows more. I'm just learning about pipes, so maybe you can help me out. Is it a blast technique that produces this look?


 

bigvan

Lifer
Mar 22, 2011
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I'd say it's carved/rusticated, not blasted. But I'd definitely say it's a billiard (rather than a pot).
I'm not familiar with Ted Haviland. Is the stem vulcanite or acrylic?

 

bphilli75

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 27, 2013
246
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Bigvan - The stem is acrylic. Thanks for the help clarifying the shape and rustication.
Mrenglish - Thanks! I don't know the exact weight. I don't have a small scale to weigh it. It is very light though, a very comfortable clencher.

 
May 31, 2012
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Mr. English - thanks man, that eases my mind.
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Something I feel I should mention, since we're talking about billiards, and my preference for the Brit-influenced variant in particular, is that the form itself, I believe, is actually a French invention.
Even its name is French.
But the various British marques made the shape famous by enhancing pipe quality and craftsmanship into a sphere never seen before, therefore, I think, they kind of own it. This is all just my subjective interpretation though, I'd love to hear from any other enthused billyboys with their thoughts about the shape, or how they look at it, or certain preferences or whatever.
More rambling,

the early Stanwell billiards were very very very much in the British tradition, not until the post-Ivarsson era is when their billiards would reflect that aesthetic heritage of an established "Danish school" - and their version still doesn't stray too far off. Although the Danes innovated so many different and incredible shapes, the billiard isn't something they improved on, in my thinking.
The Italians however, have contributed greatly to the evolution of the shape. Savinelli did and still does Brit-inspired billiards, I have a shape 101 and I love it, but the Pesaro school really ran with it, playing with proportions and adding angular elements, and generally stretching the form about as far as it could go and still be recognizable as a proper billiard. It really is amazing how they modified it and developed some truly beautiful interpretations of it. I would like to get some of these, especially Castello, but at the moment I'm focused elsewhere,

maybe one day.

 

tbradsim1

Lifer
Jan 14, 2012
9,231
11,958
Southwest Louisiana
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John Eells, Marty Pulvars described his pipes by saying I can put my thumb in bowl, well my big thumb is in with room to spare.

 
May 31, 2012
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Okay,

I have a question.
I've been looking at a lot of billiards and have noticed sometimes a "shank bulge" going on, most of the time it's quite slight, but the shape is pretty unforgiving as far as little details like that go.
Sometimes it's really bad and quite obvious, even if it's just a slight subtle hump.
Sometimes it's beyond belief, with a "snake just ate a rabbit" look, and it puzzles me how the pipe even made it to market, and if anyone actually likes that look?

Here's an example,
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https://novelli.it/eng/pipes/testdiv4.asp?produttore=%20Parker&modello=Super%20Bark&cod=plps16&id=6135&opdb=1
My question,

is this an error in execution?
My guess is that the maker might oversand or take off too much material at the crucial shank/bowl transition curve and too much material loss cannot be recovered - it's risky to compensate by sanding the shank thinner due to strength issues, so the pipe must "live with the bulge"?
Am I close to getting the right answer?
Or am I completely bonkers?

:crazy:

 
May 31, 2012
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Don Marshall makes a good lookin' billiard:

http://www.dmarshallpipes.com/Gallery.php
But also brings up something I'd like to discuss,

kind of a tricky topic.
Maybe you don't want to touch it with a ten foot pole,

maybe it'd be better for me if I didn't either,

but I feel I should, just because critical discussions

are so rare, usually it's all an ego-stroking circle jerk

when we talk about artisan pipes...LOL but I can understand

that, and it's fun sharing, but serious critique is usually

not openly discussed...
...Mike at BriarBlues recently on his new blog tried to talk about

something along these lines, I can't find the article because there

is no archive, and I can only barely remember the details, but the

topic seemed to touch a nerve, garnering responses like

"What the fuck does this guy know about pipe making?"
So, I can understand that sometimes it's better to remain silent,

or behind closed doors, or you might risk pissing people off,

alienating someone, or generally gaining a bad rep amongst

pipemakers as an "arrogant prick", and that wouldn't be good when

approaching a pipemaker for a commission would it?
Well, I'm going to be open about something, I'm pretty stupid

so here goes,

I recently got myself a very nice McGimpsey smooth billiard,

for less than $200, it looks great:

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...and his gallery is full of incredible pipes,

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcgimpseypipes/

And he was a finalist in last years Kansas City contest for dublins,

but my billiard had a constricted stem with a whistle,

it could not pass my favored Brigham regular pipe cleaner,

but it can pass a BJ Long regular, yet very tightly,

I tried to contact him about the issue,

using the email addy on Pipedia,

and it bounced, invalid addy.
I finally just fixed it myself with a file,

I invested in some nice Swiss needle files for just such occasions,

but I'd thought it'd be on estate pipes, not a brand new American artisan pipe!

But now, it does smoke great, and sweetly.
So,

has he disappeared?
Was he a flash-in-the-pan pipemaker?
It seems there are a ton of new upstart American pipemakers out there.
How long will they last?
Did I learn a lesson about buying a piece from a pipemaker too early in their career?
Even though all the technical stuff is much easier nowadays because of the internet and the amount of skill sharing going on, a new pipemaker is probably still making little mistakes in the beginning...
...what threshold of time do you consider it "safe" to buy from a new maker,

knowing you will get a true quality product as close to flawless as possible?
Should it be 3 years?

2 years?

5 years?
Many new makers are charging quite high prices much too soon I think,

a maker who has made under 100 pipes still has a bit to learn I'd say.
Whereas for quite a few years, Rad Davis was offering his super solid pipes

for very modest money, he paid his dues bigtime, and now has a tremendous reputation.
Some of the newer makers are coming out of the gate with pipes costing $350+

and I don't know what to make of it.
Another thing is briar supply,

established makers have by now gotten themselves a reliable quality supplier,

where the newer maker may have an iffy or low quality supplier.
Am I being an asshole?
Should we not talk about something like this?
I would appreciate any blunt discussion on the topic.
If this is just stupid on my part,

please ignore it and let the thread die.

 

bigvan

Lifer
Mar 22, 2011
2,192
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You make an excellent point, Lowercase. I've seen the number of North American carvers boom in the last few years and sure, there are lots of guys who are not ready for prime time. But if a carver can't pass the pipe cleaner test, or if there's too much a gap between the end of the tenon and the bottom of the mortice, or if he uses pre-made stems I'll pass.
In your case, Lowercase, I would have given Don Marshall the chance to make it right.

 
May 31, 2012
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It wasn't Don Marshall,

but Matt Brannon (McGimpsey)
I pointed out Don Marshall as a newer maker, but one that had a lot of nice pipes,

it amazes me how quickly the newer makers are seemingly knocking it out of the park.
I did try to email Matt Brannon, who made the billiard I got, but the only email address I could find was invalid.
It's no big deal really.
Actually,

I'm very tempted to delete my last post,

just because it may be too controversial or whatever,

it may disappear shortly.

 

bigvan

Lifer
Mar 22, 2011
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Sorry I misread.
Don't delete. I think you made a good point and appreciate the fact that you were willing to name names.

 

pruss

Lifer
Feb 6, 2013
3,558
373
Mytown
Candour, in any conversation, is a welcome addition. Keep it coming pal.
PS - isn't this place EXACTLY the *cough* forum for dialogue about who is making pipes that are worth the asking price? If you want to read some really visceral comments on pipes from new pipe makers, wander over to the Pipe Maker's Forum. There is a whole heaping spoonful of honesty. :twisted:
-- Pat

 

papipeguy

Lifer
Jul 31, 2010
15,777
42
Bethlehem, Pa.
Dan Chlebove of Gabrieli pipes in a maker in Bethlehem, Pa. This is the pipe that he made for Pipe Of The Year 2013 for the local B&M. This one is #2 of about 12. He has an interesting take on his treatment.


 
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