UPS Has New Rules

[Civil War]

How small is a small cigar?

 

[spartan99]

Punitive taxation of any kind should be prohibited imo.

Problem being that the people who tax punitively and the people who could prohibit it are one and the same, so, you know, they could just stop doing it and save on paperwork. Preaching to the choir, I'm sure.

 

[wyfbane]

Odd the UPS mentions Montana, but not the restriction to WA, where it is a felony for pipe tobacco to be sent. Glad my celler is 90% done. One can feel the noose tightening on this thing of ours.

 

[warren]

All taxes are punitive. All taxes are beneficial. Perspective.

 

[pipesmokingtom]

How small is a small cigar?

It's actually specified by weight per 1000 if you click the link to the UPS site.

 

[brian64]

Problem being that the people who tax punitively and the people who could prohibit it are one and the same

Yeah, it's always the fox guarding the hen house.

 

[olkofri]

How do they know what's in the box?

Only a matter of time till the post and courier services start X-raying every parcel. They probably already know that a number of people don't declare the contents, shall we say, 'accurately'.

 

[sajgre]

I fear that regulations like that and insurance companies might be deadlier to the industry than FDA regulations.

 

[perdurabo]

I talked to my UPS man, He said, "at the most you'd have to sign for tobacco product." Although he's hasn't had any sign for their packages. Mine included. He also said that Cigar Master must live in a Progressive state/city with progressive ideals. Or he said the individual may live in bum-fuck Egypt. He advised me to place my next order via UPS and he'd deliver it like always

 

[pipesmokingtom]

He also said that Cigar Master must live in a Progressive state/city with progressive ideals

Not sure what this has to do with anything, since is a UPS corporate policy. I suppose if franchise owners want to risk their contracts and not abide, that's on them.

 

[cigrmaster]

perdurabo, I live in a state that put an 85% wholesale tax on pipe tobacco and a ZERO percent tax on cigars. Very progressive the state of Florida is.

 

[perdurabo]

Well since it's franchised, the franchisee can impose their own rules of service, Tom. So the employee I talked to was correct, from your point of view.

 

[pipesmokingtom]

Well since it's franchised, the franchisee can impose their own rules of service, Tom.

Not any more than a Subway franchisee can choose to start selling cheeseburgers.

 

[perdurabo]

Apples and Oranges.

 

[perdurabo]

Tom, read Woodsroad link. It's in Black and Tan.

 

[perdurabo]

In this case it's about licensing, so yes cigarmasters UPS doesn't offer that service. It's up to the franchisee, they have decided not to offer this service, so in fact they have created their own rule of service.
Cigarmaster, either it's an ideological reason or it's a monetary reason.

 

[pipesmokingtom]

I've read the whole thing and I'm still not sure what you mean. Corporate policy is no one can ship tobacco via UPS who isn't licensed an authorized to ship it. That means the "Shipper" ie. you and me trying to mail tobacco.
Are you assuming the UPS franchisee is somehow getting licensed to ship tobacco and that's their choice or not as a franchisee? I think you're misunderstanding if this is your interpretation.

 

[ashdigger]

Man oh man, this is making the decision to cellar hard a very wise one. I haven't purchased tobacco in over a year due to the pending FDA mess and now this.
I'm either lucky, a genius or a hoarder.

 

[perdurabo]

Tom you would be right, my bad, the shipper would be someone like Smokingpipes.com. And cigar master is referring to filtered and small cigars. Not pipe tobacco or Cigars. So the UPS man couldn't give a clear answer because I just enquired about tobacco in general. Sorry for the misunderstanding on my part. I believe you would be correct.

 

[perdurabo]

They are lumping little cigars and filtered cigars with cigarettes. I can't imagine what life would have been like if we could've gotten cigarettes shipped straight to the mail box.