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ssjones

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I own two perfect Marxman 400 pipes and maybe a half dozen extra jumbo $15 size Marxman Big Boys.

Whatever is bad about the 400 attempt pipe, it’s smokable.

Surely worth $20 to have a beater 400,
I'm not a kid any more and suspect you aren't either. Why in the world would you need a beater 400 when you own two? At our age, we're not going to wear out a pipe. Unless the shank was broken in two, every pipe is "smoke-able". But why would you want to smoke a pipe in that condition? Life is to short to live with a pipe in poor condition, when there are literally thousands of better pipes available.
 

Briar Lee

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I'm not a kid any more and suspect you aren't either. Why in the world would you need a beater 400 when you own two? At our age, we're not going to wear out a pipe. Unless the shank was broken in two, every pipe is "smoke-able". But why would you want to smoke a pipe in that condition? Life is to short to live with a pipe in poor condition, when there are literally thousands of better pipes available.

At age 67 I know when somebody callls me “young man” they are flattering me.

But I know too, that as old men go I’m a very young old man.:)

Twenty years ago or so I began buying really nice old Kaywoodie pipes for about $10 to $15 and sometimes $20.

Then about 15 years ago I started buying $20 Lee pipes.

Five or so years ago I began buying $20 Marxmans.

Lookie at this $65 Bertram Grade 95 I get the chance to love on this morning, when the postman brings it.

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In twenty more years I’ll be 87 and if I’m on the right side of the sod I hope I’m like my mother’s father who drove a car and went fishing and hunting and loved life until the day when he was 89 he slipped on a riverbank and broke his hip, and after that he just wasn’t good the three years he had left.

All he did then was smoke cigarettes, cigars, pipes, dip snuff and chew tobacco and tell stories until the Lord called him home.:)

If my wife’s health improves we’ll travel.

Until then, I can play with my pipes, you know?

My kids will get back all the little money I ever spent on them.

I wish I could live to see them sell, I’d buy them all back.:)
 

Briarcutter

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At age 67 I know when somebody callls me “young man” they are flattering me.

But I know too, that as old men go I’m a very young old man.:)

Twenty years ago or so I began buying really nice old Kaywoodie pipes for about $10 to $15 and sometimes $20.

Then about 15 years ago I started buying $20 Lee pipes.

Five or so years ago I began buying $20 Marxmans.

Lookie at this $65 Bertram Grade 95 I get the chance to love on this morning, when the postman brings it.

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In twenty more years I’ll be 87 and if I’m on the right side of the sod I hope I’m like my mother’s father who drove a car and went fishing and hunting and loved life until the day when he was 89 he slipped on a riverbank and broke his hip, and after that he just wasn’t good the three years he had left.

All he did then was smoke cigarettes, cigars, pipes, dip snuff and chew tobacco and tell stories until the Lord called him home.:)

If my wife’s health improves we’ll travel.

Until then, I can play with my pipes, you know?

My kids will get back all the little money I ever spent on them.

I wish I could live to see them sell, I’d buy them all back.:)
It sounds like you really enjoy what you are doing/buying. To me that's what a hobby is all about. Carry on my friend, keep us posted.
 
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Briarcutter

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My thought is, get out super glue and apply with a razor blade, then clamp down with little hose clamps and dry.

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Super glue really sticks to briar.

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The 400 attempt was intended to be the highest priced regular production cataloged pipe on the planet earth—-so it’s good briar—the best of the best.

The other one is a nice big old Lovat, looks Webberish.

I’ll know more when it gets here.

And lookie here!

Willie Nelson’s luthier might use this on Trigger, only $15!

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Gluing the cracked shank may be a bit tricky. If you apply glue with the shank crack open then clamp you will probably get glue to run in the mortise, not good. If you clamp it first then apply glue, you probably won't get the glue to penetrate sufficiently, not good, it will crack again. If you do get it glued and clamped without the mouthpiece in place you'll probably crack it again when you insert the mouthpiece. If you try and glue it with the mouthpiece in place the glue may run in the mortise and youll never get the mouthpiece out. Or...I could be totally off base and any method you choose will work like a champ😁
 

Briar Lee

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Gluing the cracked shank may be a bit tricky. If you apply glue with the shank crack open then clamp you will probably get glue to run in the mortise, not good. If you clamp it first then apply glue, you probably won't get the glue to penetrate sufficiently, not good, it will crack again. If you do get it glued and clamped without the mouthpiece in place you'll probably crack it again when you insert the mouthpiece. If you try and glue it with the mouthpiece in place the glue may run in the mortise and youll never get the mouthpiece out. Or...I could be totally off base and any method you choose will work like a champ😁

Lookit this magnicent thing!

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I own two of those Marxman Chubbies, that’s the carved one. When I rise to worlds unseen if my kids can’t get back the thirty or so dollars I paid for those apiece they need to find a better way to make money than selling my stuff.:)


Those are mere Big Boys. Not a 400. But both will produce nicotine hiccups smoking Carter Hall, if I don’t pace myself, and they simply never get hot to hold, barely warm.

When I get in my $10 400 attempt job one will be clean it up back to as new as I can.

I’ll smoke it and see how bad it leaks.

That gold colored band, should still allow for a snug stem fit.

The luthier’s brown super glue, could be applied on the surface or I could use a razor blade. A pipe tool can scrape any glue off while wet on the inside.

It should be a slightly better smoker than a Big Boy. And it will color out to a dark wine red the same as all other Marxman pipes.
 
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Briarcutter

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You need a nice silver band on the apple!
Lookit this magnicent thing!

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I own two of those Marxman Chubbies, that’s the carved one. When I rise to worlds unseen if my kids can’t get back the thirty or so dollars I paid for those apiece they need to find a better way to make money than selling my stuff.:)


Those are mere Big Boys. Not a 400. But both will produce nicotine hiccups smoking Carter Hall, if I don’t pace myself, and they simply never get hot to hold, barely warm.

When I get in my $10 400 attempt job one will be clean it up back to as new as I can.

I’ll smoke it and see how bad it leaks.

That gold colored band, should still allow for a snug stem fit.

The luthier’s brown super glue, could be applied on the surface or I could use a razor blade. A pipe tool can scrape any glue off while wet on the inside.

It should be a slightly better smoker than a Big Boy. And it will color out to a dark wine red the same as all other Marxman pipes.
 
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Sobrbiker

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It sounds like you really enjoy what you are doing/buying. To me that's what a hobby is all about. Carry on my friend, keep us posted.
I believe the rumination and response is a large part of the counselor’s hobby.
I enjoy the colloquial nature and the nuggets of Americana that are ever present, but for sure if the law didn’t work out as a career there always would have been the patent medicine market😉
 

dd57chevy

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Sorry to appear as Captain Naive , but why do you refer to it as a 400 attempt ?
A factory reject that was snuck out in someone's lunchpail ?
 
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Briar Lee

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Sorry to appear as Captain Naive , but why do you refer to it as a 400 attempt ?
A factory reject that was snuck out in someone's lunchpail ?

Telescopes turned us on to a man who was selling over a dozen geniune Marxman 400 pipes and each one was a little different but all were massive freehands with a solid gold band (except one) and they looked like this $10 Benchmade I’m getting.

If it looks, walks, quacks and shits like a duck, it’s a duck.:)

The 400s were hand made consumer products made from the same briar as the cheapest Mello.

There is no way under the sun that ugly thing sold new for the same $15 as this perfect Big Boy sold new for.

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But they did get five bucks for an enormous Benchmade that looks like a $25 400.

Or, Marx might have given the workers the privilege of making their own pipes from rejected briar.

Nobody stole that one.:)
 
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telescopes

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Telescopes turned us on to a man who was selling over a dozen geniune Marxman 400 pipes and each one was a little different but all were massive freehands with a solid gold band (except one) and they looked like this $10 Benchmade I’m getting.



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NOT AT ALL. The 400s ALL have a unique checkering, much like the type an artists uses for shading. NONE of them had worm trails. There are other tells as well. As I stated previously I have personally handled many 400s and all of them had traits that I saw only on the 400s. If I can post my pictures of the group of 14 400s next to each other that should settle this. But, please, let's make it clear that your conjecture is a lawyer's argument and not the evidence of fact. Courts don't require evidence to be factual, merely suggestive enough to confuse a jury.
 
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A few are missing there gold bands. Notice the bowl is shaped to maximize size, not a particular shape, and two, all have cross-hatching marks. There are some smaller 400s - the one at the bottom is the behemoth that Van was able to purchase. Of that lot I purchased a smaller one. I have one that is actually either the one used on the advertisement for 400s or is the spitting image of it. I kept that one and sold the smaller. I smoke the pipes I own and I don't put them in drawers - they are in my pipe cabinet. A 400 is an awkward pipe to smoke and to be honest - it really makes one look like a duffus. It's more of a curiosity than anything and I treat my one 400 as such. It has historical value and some history. That is about the sum of it. Marx sold a few lines that had gold bands on them. He sold lines with saddle stems. Marxman 400s are there own thing and I have never had difficulty spotting one. These "failed" 400s are simply odd ball bench made Marxmans. He made a lot of them. @dd57chevy - hopefully some visual evidence will better clarify what a 400 looks like.
 

telescopes

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The pipe at the top is absolutely a purposeful bench made. The band is clearly a repair band and the worm trails are indicative of benchmades as well as the 4 panel bowl. 400s can have 4 sides but they are very roundy- indicative of the fact that the maker is trying to enhance bowl size rather than focus on the aesthetic of the bowl shape.
 
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dd57chevy

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A few are missing there gold bands. Notice the bowl is shaped to maximize size, not a particular shape, and two, all have cross-hatching marks.
So they have a hunk of briar.........& try to shave as little off it as possible ? No envisioned shape ?
A 400 is an awkward pipe to smoke and to be honest - it really makes one look like a duffus.
Well , I would try to be a little gentler , but no , honestly , I can't picture Norman Rockwell smoking one while painting . 😁
@dd57chevy - hopefully some visual evidence will better clarify what a 400 looks like.
I'm nowhere near some of you guys in pipe knowledge , so thanks for your info .
 
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So they have a hunk of briar.........& try to shave as little off it as possible ? No envisioned shape ?

Well , I would try to be a little gentler , but no , honestly , I can't picture Norman Rockwell smoking one while painting . 😁

I'm nowhere near some of you guys in pipe knowledge , so thanks for your info .
I would be gentler, but this ongoing diatribe of everything being a "failed" 400 attempt has gone on for years and to be honest, it's easier to just cut to the chase.

I have to laugh, I can't see myself taking my 400 to a gathering. I could, but it's just an ugly pipe and if people are going to see me with a pipe - and have lots of questions about it - I'd rather it be something simple and straightforward. The 400 does get smoked - but generally on the patio under the cover. The 400 has no standard shape other than maximizing the ball of wood and making a design of cross hatching to cover up flaws.
 

Dshift

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Let me throw my 2 cents here - if you are not getting the pipes to resell them then a lot could be forgiven, plus if you are doing repairs and restoration as a hobby, this could be a really fun project . At first when I started with restorations I would intentionally buy pipes like this in order to learn fast and it was probably the most fun I’ve ever had.

One last thing - I really love repairing pipes that other people would immediately trash. It feels so good giving decades of life back to an old item, that otherwise would get scrapped. I think it’s so satisfying because we can’t do that with living things or with almost any modern item, that’s made out of plastic.

Anyways here are some examples of pipes that I have adopted 😂

A Dr Plumb Perfect Pipe with multiple very deep “holes” - this one I will be trying a steampunk project, where I will be filling the holes with metal.
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2. Meet “Dick” - as in Moby Dick (the eyes were already there when I got it)
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3. “The beggar in prince’s clothes” - a cheap and cracked meer with an expensive silver ring and Ascorti stem…
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And last but not least 3 churchwardens(if you see hot glue it’s not from me)
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