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Let me make this clear - your story is stupid and pointless - and I mean that with love. Neither one of them understood motorcycles mean death.

My mother lost her entire knee cap in a motorcycle accident. My father lost his elbow as well as many internal injuries and a broken collar bone in two motorcycle accidents. Bothe have spent up to 4 weeks in the hospital with motorcycle injuries. My brother was dragged over 100 feet as show on video underneath a Honda civic. He sustained more broken bones and internal injuries than evil knives did in his entire career. He spent 3 months in a comma and 9 months in rehab. All three of the individuals mentioned above bought new motorcycles upon getting out of the hospital. All three kept riding until they died (my mother died - the other two are still active riders).

My point is this - hobbiest who ride motorcycles are not the same as those who know damned well what they are doing. My brother told his doctors that if he didn’t heal enough to get back on a bike he would shoot himself rather than never ride again. My dad and mother were the same. They understood the risks. They just don’t care. So - yeh your story is pointless in terms of the point I was making. Now let’s have a YouTube video of Charlie pride singing a song. 🤣

"Motorcycles mean death"
In the past yes. Times are changing.
Any MotoGP rider will crash dozens if not hundreds of times across his career. I'm sure they suffer some long term discomfort but retirement from injury is rare.
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"Motorcycles mean death"
In the past yes. Times are changing.
Any MotoGP rider will crash dozens if not hundreds of times across his career. I'm sure they suffer some long term discomfort but retirement from injury is rare.
This is what the professionals wear: Tech-Air® Off-Road System - https://www.alpinestars.com/products/tech-air-off-road-system

I’ve seen those races where they fall over and then get right back up.

What saved my cousin’s life was a set of full leathers, boots and a full face protection helmet her daughters helped her buy preparatory to her becoming a biker babe.

After the bike hit the mule deer it went over to the other lane where her boyfriend got plastered by a car, but luckily she just tumbled down the highway into the ditch until she hit a fence post which caused most of her injuries.

I see people running down the highway in blue jeans and no helmet and it looks like freedom, until it ain’t.

And even if street bikers would wear such protective gear as racers, the streets are full of cars, deer, and other things to hit, you know?
 
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No less than 10% of the motorcycle club I belong to have had injuries sever enough to either kill them or leave them seriously disabled from motorcycle riding. Most club riders I know from other clubs have similar stats. I like to refer to my brother as the last American casualty from the Afgan war. He was hit by a female refugee who drug him under her car in downtown St. Louis. She later hit and harmed another person who was in a car. My dad and mother suffered their first and most serious wreck when getting t-boned by a car at an intersection on Labor Day of 1972. As for myself, I rear ended a stopped car on the down side of a hill as I crossed over the top. It was unavoidable. Perhaps because I ride with bikers who belong to clubs, I come across so many who have wrecked. Anyway, it is a part of the contract when you take your bike out on the rode. If someone can’t accept it, my advice is dont ride a motorcycle.
Also, I live in a very rural area.
Long country roads with little traffic.
Back in the late 80s-90s I had a bunch of friends in the Kingsman motorcycle club. Their clubhouse was very near where I lived.
They were the one group who DID have a lot of "accidents", or more like negligence. Gallons of beer a booze mixed with weed and bravado made for many cuts, bruises, and broken bones and bikes. But that was 99.9% their own fault.
In the late 1990s the Kingsmen were absorbed by the Pagans and the Iron Coffins. :) The Kingsmen were your typical outlaw motorcycle club, but had a very soft side. The later two clubs, no soft side. The Iron Coffins still commit probably 80% of our local crime. Oddly enough, when I was on the volunteer fire department for a couple decades, not one time did I see a wreck from one of these guys. Its very likely some crashes were handled "in house", but no rescue calls.
 

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Lying is not wise.

Truth usually wins out.
I think lawyers convince themselves that the stories they tell - the possibilities they spin as. yarns - are not lies. The manipulation of reality by altering the way and manner an event is understood with the aim to achieve a victory is lying. It's like inventing all sorts of nonsense about a specific type of briar and then propagating the story about it until the truth of it is lost in the nonsense. A magician uses distraction to deflect the audiences eyes away from what he is actually doing; a lawyer uses stories and conjectures to confuse the truth and have the judge or jury arrive at a conclusion that the lawyer promotes. The difference is the magician is honest that what you are seeing is an illusion, the lawyer is dishonest in that the lie is promoted as a possible truth with the intent of denying the truth. Which makes the lawyer a liar. Anyway, we've side tracked this thread long enough. I promise no more motorcycle talk or lawyer jokes. How about you Mr. Lee? :) :ROFLMAO:
 

Briar Lee

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I think lawyers convince themselves that the stories they tell - the possibilities they spin as. yarns - are not lies. The manipulation of reality by altering the way and manner an event is understood with the aim to achieve a victory is lying. It's like inventing all sorts of nonsense about a specific type of briar and then propagating the story about it until the truth of it is lost in the nonsense. A magician uses distraction to deflect the audiences eyes away from what he is actually doing; a lawyer uses stories and conjectures to confuse the truth and have the judge or jury arrive at a conclusion that the lawyer promotes. The difference is the magician is honest that what you are seeing is an illusion, the lawyer is dishonest in that the lie is promoted as a possible truth with the intent of denying the truth. Which makes the lawyer a liar. Anyway, we've side tracked this thread long enough. I promise no more motorcycle talk or lawyer jokes. How about you Mr. Lee? :) :ROFLMAO:

Once upon a golden time long ago, I took a disability case in Bentonville Arkansas.

This was at a time when my wife looked like that girl on the genetics blue Jeans ad only taller, and we had a bright red convertible.

We drove down once to her home near Arkansas, for preparation, and the lady looked to me like a worn out dishrag. Her husband was an ex felon with tats all over him and was just about as vile, and nasty, and repulsive as a man could ever be.

Doing social security cases is much like making Kentucky Straight Bourbon. The average waiting time over the years is just over a year to three or even four years, and in recent years about 18 months.

In the two or so years since I’d taken her case she’d graduated college with a degree in criminal justice from a little satellite college in some shithole of a little poverty striken town right next to Arkansas, and her only medical appointments were for getting beaten by her husband. She’d get restraining orders and drop them.

Social Security called and wanted to set her hearing and I set it at 2 pm on the Friday of Memorial Day weekend.

On the way down my wife said, what chance do you possibly have? She graduated college last week?

I said she has two felony bad check convictions on her record and she will never get a job in law enforcement.

She said all of her medical records show she has a husband who needs to be locked up. What medical condition does she have?

I replied loser lover syndrome. And her chances to make a recovery to ride shotgun with a lawyer in a red convertible are below zero. She claims several things wrong with her physically, too. Who are we to judge?

She said what strategy do you have?

I said look around. This is Memorial Day weekend in Bentonville Arkansas.

The judge has a pleasant sounding lady as his assistant. We are the last case before they get to go home for a long weekend.

I told my client to be there at one and make sure and take her entire family. The judge and his assistant will have to let them in after they get back from lunch.

We are going to roll up at a quarter to two on the dot and you are going to carry my briefcase in your skirt and high heels into the courthouse.

And if I know Arkansawyers, that judge will ask exactly where we came from, and if we mind to change our date of onset to a new date, and I’ve already told our client she should expect that, and he’ll say let’s all have a nice weekend.

He’ll grant her disability on the record, two years back pay.

Babe Ruth and me felt, about the same.:)

My client and her children all gathered around my wife like she was Snow White at Disneyland afterwards and the judge’s assistant asked where she bought her skirt and then we headed north in our red convertible.

My wife said, do you have a conscience?

That lady has a college degree. She will never work again.

J said, my dear, we can’t afford for me, to have a conscience over these matters.

Besides, I’m a paid champion.

If I didn’t do it, somebody else not as good at it might try it.:)

There were days, when I knew of the eight billion people on this earth nobody alive was better at what I did best.

Forty five minutes of that judge watching that lady, with her nasty husband, waiting for her lawyer with a super model beautiful wife who was as sweet and down to earth as an old grandmother, was exactly the right call.

Who would have ever remembered Porter, without Dolly?

The Right Combination

 
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