Tour De France

[iamn8]

How can you so easily discount the good he did? Everyone was doping. Does it make him right? Of course not, but at the same time... he did FAR more good than most ever will. I don't write him a pass, but I don't discount the good. I have many good memories I'm unwilling to toss out. As I said, it's an unpopular opinion and you're free to yours.

I'm not sure why you're saying he admitted... I'm not denying anything he did. If my life was defined only the bad I've done, I'd kill myself. A life isn't defined only by the worse you've done. That's my opinion. I won't argue or defend him. You're free to your opinions.

 

[georged]

How can you so easily discount the good he did? Everyone was doping. Does it make him right? Of course not, but at the same time, I have many good memories I'm unwilling to toss out.

None of which has the slightest thing to do with what I said.
He ATTACKED PEOPLE using every weapon he could muster short of physical assault/murder to silence them, and to serve them up as examples of what "crossing" him would cost.
He deliberately and knowingly DESTROYED LIVES to keep his indu$trial-grade Lie Machine running $moothly.
I repeat: you are OK with that?

 

[iamn8]

Of course I'm not. I don't define a man by the worst he's done.

 

[georged]

Of course I'm not.

Then I suggest you find more worthy "heroes".

I don't define a man by the worst he's done.

Character issues and actions are not the same thing, and should never be confused.

 

[iamn8]

Why are you using the word hero? I didn't. I'll end this here. It's not a discussion I care to have. Obviously you're passionate about this. I'm not. I simply have good memories I'm unwilling to toss. The end for me. Character issues? I wasn't talking character issues. I was talking actions. Heavy sigh... Okay.

 

[georged]

I simply have good memories I'm unwilling to toss.

So, a vicious sociopath gets a pass to protect a false---but charming---memory. Got it. :lol:

 

[iamn8]

Good.

 

[cobguy]

The Lance debacle was the final straw for me. I also followed him from early on and admired him substantially.
For me, it was like finding out that Superman was a lying, cheating narcissist and it broke my heart.

 

[iamn8]

It broke mine as well. It killed every cyclist on the planet. No doubt.

 

[zekest]

A good thread turns to crap in a few posts.
So...what's the best aromatic for a newbe?

 

[deathmetal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YXDd_NKhac

 

[bigpond]

A good thread turns to crap in a few posts.
So...what's the best aromatic for a newbe?

Didn't someone send you the message that these disputes are how we are going to right every wrong? I mean if we aren't saving the world, what the heck is the point of this forum?
Oh, and the best aromatic for newb's is a home-made blend of dfk with a spritz of hai-karate. Everyone know's this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtwh3nQP5Uo

 

[mcitinner1]

Heh heh, That's the first time I've seen Hai-Karate mentioned in probably 40 years.

 

[bigpond]

Everything old is new again, eh? Check out this recreation from 2014...apparently it's back...somewhere?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2QZjihFfdw

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I had no idea that they still made Hai-Karate. :?