Tobacco is Sacred

[stevecourtright]

To use tobacco the real traditional way you would powder some green rustica and mix it with crushed up yopo beans, and have someone blast it up your nose with a bird bone tube.

Ironically, "Bird Bone Tube" was the name of my last Avante Garde jazz group...

 

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Race isn't something we should comment on in the forum.

….tic, tock…

 

[jpberg]

Race isn't something we should comment on in the forum.

But it’s okay to talk shit about race until someone brings up race, right?

 

[jpberg]

Race isn't something we should comment on in the forum.

Seriously, read the thread. Maybe we can have a conversation.

 

[prairiedruid]

Growing up my grandparents (non Native) lived on the Flathead Reservation which is very different from the Dakota reservations. My wife is enrolled (Mohawk) who has friends we visited on other reservations, some are pretty rough but you wouldn't know it from the pow wows they have. When her health was better she was quite the dancer.

 

[Winnipeger]

Some of my close friends have called me a "gringo" on occasion, but they do it out of affection, because they know me. I was raised in an environment that brought me into contact with Cree Elders at a young age. What of it? There's only one person on this thread who has raised race as a topic of conversation. As far as I know, the term is antiquated, and has no agreed upon definition. Rather than referring to Indigenous people as a collective race, it's considered more appropriate nowadays to refer to them with reference to their tribal affiliation. As far as my comments about the Manitoba Museum, colonialism is just a fact of history. If people have opinions on one side or another of a perceived issue, they should state them, unless they're afraid of pissing off the mods, in which case, what are we talking about here?

 

[El Capitán]

….tic, tock…

incoming?

 

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[jpberg]

Some of my close friends have called me a "gringo" on occasion, but they do it out of affection, because they know me. I was raised in an environment that brought me into contact with Cree Elders at a young age. What of it? There's only one person on this thread who has raised race as a topic of conversation. As far as I know, the term is antiquated, and has no agreed upon definition. Rather than referring to Indigenous people as a collective race, it's considered more appropriate nowadays to refer to them with reference to their tribal affiliation. As far as my comments about the Manitoba Museum, colonialism is just a fact of history. If people have opinions on one side or another of a perceived issue, they should state them, unless they're afraid of pissing off the mods, in which case, what are we talking about here?

Well what we’re talking about here is an apparent tobacco thread that got turned into a wokefest.
If you want to talk about tobacco used in religious ceremonies, talk about it.
If you want to discuss “colonialism “, or whatever, do it. Don’t mix the two and pretend you didn’t.

 

[El Capitán]

Well what we’re talking about here is an apparent tobacco thread that got turned into a wokefest.
If you want to talk about tobacco used in religious ceremonies, talk about it.
If you want to discuss “colonialism “, or whatever, do it. Don’t mix the two and pretend you didn’t.

Historically, tobacco and colonialism are greatly intertwined.

 

[jpberg]

Historically, tobacco and colonialism are greatly intertwined.

At least in the last two minutes.

 

[El Capitán]

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[Winnipeger]

If you want to discuss “colonialism “, or whatever, do it. Don’t mix the two and pretend you didn’t.

I think we're allowed to mix topics within a given thread.

Historically, tobacco and colonialism are greatly intertwined.

Yep. But don't say that out loud. We don't need this turning into a "wokefest".

 

[El Capitán]

At least in the last two minutes.

Further reading here.

 

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[jpberg]

I think we're allowed to mix topics within a given thread.

Yep. But don't say that out loud. We don't need this turning into a "wokefest".

Exactly. Pipes and tobacco.

 

[jpberg]

Further reading here.

You’re not even embarrassed to link that, right?

 

[El Capitán]

Exactly. Pipes and tobacco.

This involves the history of tobacco. Colonialism is apart of that history and is, like all atrocities, has a need to be acknowledged.

 

[Winnipeger]

Exactly. Pipes and tobacco.

Right. No general topics allowed on this forum. Duly noted.

 

[jpberg]

This involves the history of tobacco. Colonialism is apart of that history and is, like all atrocities, has a need to be acknowledged.

Right. No general topics allowed on this forum. Duly noted.

Right. Maybe start an “Atrocity Acknowledgment “ subforum.