I'm rather happy society is starting to see through the thin veil of propaganda against cannabis. I partake of cannabis and (obviously) tobacco and if I had to point a negative finger at one, it would be tobacco because I was dumb enough to smoke regular cigs. Cigs are chemical laden trash whereas fine pipe tobacco and (these days) high end weed are meticulously tended to so optimal quality can be achieved. I dont live in a recreational state but am quite relieved we have decriminalization. No more will I get handcuffed for a half gram of a plant.
Tobacco = Bad? Pot = Good?
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An interesting read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States
In a nut shell-mj was basically fine until refugees from the Mexican revolution fled to the US and began to displace American laborers in the fields. To relax afterwork they smoked mj because it was cheaper than beer. Antimexican sentiment, the incipient prohibition movement and the great depression all contributed to making mj declared illegal.
Points of interest: early colonial settlers were legally required to grow MJ for hemp. At one point hashish parlors were the playgrounds of the cultural elites and were so widespread that NYC alone had as many as 500.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States
In a nut shell-mj was basically fine until refugees from the Mexican revolution fled to the US and began to displace American laborers in the fields. To relax afterwork they smoked mj because it was cheaper than beer. Antimexican sentiment, the incipient prohibition movement and the great depression all contributed to making mj declared illegal.
Points of interest: early colonial settlers were legally required to grow MJ for hemp. At one point hashish parlors were the playgrounds of the cultural elites and were so widespread that NYC alone had as many as 500.
This has quickly become such an interesting thread! I read the original article as soon as it was posted here, and (as several others) didn't think much of it either. Sounds excessively whiny (which, hey, is everyone's prerogative). But thanks for pulling it in a good direction, Patty!
As to the law in question: much as I am for the legalisation of weed (though I'm not a consumer myself) and a pipe smoker inconvenienced by increasingly restricting laws, I'm happy that you can't smoke in restaurants, and will be annoyed if people are allowed to smoke marijuana (or anything else) in them. Just as I'd be annoyed by loud music, or people shouting. Well, more so by smoke, really.
I am also a former resident of Amsterdam, and I like the system there, even if it's not perfect - dedicated pot "clubs", essentially a café where you can have a coffee, eat something, and everyone there expects that there will be pot consumption, so if you're there you're fine with it by default (alcohol is not allowed in them, to avoid people hijinks). I'd also be fine with something similar for tobacco (like the Occidental Cigar Club here in San Francisco), though if people smoked mostly cigarettes in there, I'd avoid the place as well.
As to the law in question: much as I am for the legalisation of weed (though I'm not a consumer myself) and a pipe smoker inconvenienced by increasingly restricting laws, I'm happy that you can't smoke in restaurants, and will be annoyed if people are allowed to smoke marijuana (or anything else) in them. Just as I'd be annoyed by loud music, or people shouting. Well, more so by smoke, really.
I am also a former resident of Amsterdam, and I like the system there, even if it's not perfect - dedicated pot "clubs", essentially a café where you can have a coffee, eat something, and everyone there expects that there will be pot consumption, so if you're there you're fine with it by default (alcohol is not allowed in them, to avoid people hijinks). I'd also be fine with something similar for tobacco (like the Occidental Cigar Club here in San Francisco), though if people smoked mostly cigarettes in there, I'd avoid the place as well.
If there is the potential for big tax revenues the government will find a way to justify it. But one thing for certain, the prohibition hasn't worked and its cost a fortune to try to inforce it. If you're going to allow alcohol and tobacco, you should allow pot as well. Those that want to use it should be held to the rules.
As usual, Wikipedia is both wrong and slanted:
Back in the 1990s, they said it was anti-black sentiment that made it illegal.
In reality, it was its association with the counter-culture and the problems that went along with it.
Once upon a time, heroin, morphine, marijuana, cocaine, etc. were legal over the counter.
Then abuse became a problem in the postwar years. I should say it became a bigger problem, because genteel opiate/cocaine addiction was an issue even in Victorian times.
Hemp does not have enough THC to achieve intoxication.
Back in the 1990s, they said it was anti-black sentiment that made it illegal.
In reality, it was its association with the counter-culture and the problems that went along with it.
Once upon a time, heroin, morphine, marijuana, cocaine, etc. were legal over the counter.
Then abuse became a problem in the postwar years. I should say it became a bigger problem, because genteel opiate/cocaine addiction was an issue even in Victorian times.
Quite true. Hemp does, however, contain enough cannabinoids to be therapeutic for a number of ailments including minor pain relief. It has been used for thousands of years (read ancient Egyptian papyri) and is effective against many gram negative bacteria including MRSA. I have been using it for two years now.
Each section has its own hyperlink, so, much information and a few scientific studies can be found here...
http://bushka.cz/KabelikEN/index.html
My understanding is that pre - WWII, in addition to being painted as attracting whites to "unsavory" black and latino populations, the Devil's Weed was also standing in the way of contracts for Nylon and other synthetic fibers. (Can you say DuPont? I knew you could.) No distinction was drawn between hemp and marijuana when these laws were established. To this day, many people cannot tell the difference and I'm sure there are Legislators who maintain there IS no difference. Thus "Reefer Madness" was contrived and all but Medical Historians forget MJ and Hemp were in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia until MJ was made a Schedule I drug and outlawed. Hemp was so tied to its medicinal counterpart, its reputation never recovered. Crony Capitalism at its best. So much for the free market.
Crony Captialism isn't free market, it's really lite socialism or Fabian Socialism. I think we can all agree that a market run free of legislator involvement where busin.ess is allowed to live or die on its own merits would be regarded as true freemarket and desirable. Under these tenets Hemp wouldn't have suffered and if it did, suffer on its own. This may be beating a dead horse and dead it seems to be "Hey, we are all Populist now", But back room deals with the government and business is still a government that picks winners and losers and that ain't free market.
We cannot compare Pot with Pipe-Tobacco or Cigars, both are different form of lifestyles.
Pot/Weed/Marijuana has saved life of one of my dearest friend who suffers from MS and smoking/consuming weed/THC keeps her in a healthier position to take care of her son and family. She is only 28 years old. Without pot she suffered seizures and was bed-ridden for a long time.
The main culprit here is the cigarette industry. They add additives and addictives which makes them literally cancer sticks and gives the cig-smokers guaranteed COPD.
Let's campaign against the cigarette industry and stop grouping all the tobacco together. I have lost my grandparents and father to cigarettes and totally hate how the Big Tobacco has made life worse for pipe, weed and cigar smokers.
Cheers,
Chris :puffpipe:
Pot/Weed/Marijuana has saved life of one of my dearest friend who suffers from MS and smoking/consuming weed/THC keeps her in a healthier position to take care of her son and family. She is only 28 years old. Without pot she suffered seizures and was bed-ridden for a long time.
The main culprit here is the cigarette industry. They add additives and addictives which makes them literally cancer sticks and gives the cig-smokers guaranteed COPD.
Let's campaign against the cigarette industry and stop grouping all the tobacco together. I have lost my grandparents and father to cigarettes and totally hate how the Big Tobacco has made life worse for pipe, weed and cigar smokers.
Cheers,
Chris :puffpipe:
Just a slight tangent - I always thought that was more about "turns" than smoking; Pipes and Cigars take longer to smoke and induce more social interaction where patrons aren't eating. Restaurants want turns (re-use of tables for patrons). Sit, eat and get out.
Amongst the 145 references used as source material there are three publications that are available entirely free as pdf's.
Do you have a citation for this? The term "counter culture" generally refers to a social movement that arose more than 30 years after MJ was declared illegal.
Back in the '90s "they" thought Mili Vanilli were legit.
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