Boy did this this thread get hijacked and turned into another codger rant. People are people in all generations, good, bad, dumb, smart, industrious, lazy, educated, ignorant, logical, illogical, etc, etc. We adapt to the conditions of the age we live in. My father's generation did it, my generation did it, and following generations do it. And each generation will say that the next one is hopeless and useless, and each generation's pronouncement will be wrong.
So how about emptying the bedpans and getting back on topic?